It's clear there is a Creator of the Universe!

[DougShrapnel]

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And how is it incosistent with a non-created universe? What would a universe without a start possibly look like? Hint: I don't think you can have a non-created universe without a start.

[/ QUOTE ] I never implied it was. I said that the big bang is consistent with a created universe, is it not? Never did I say that is was inconsistent with a non created one.

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This is useless. Any and all properties we observe could be consisted with a created universe simply by postulating that the creator created it that way.

[/ QUOTE ] Give me a good reason to posutlate the creator and I'll agree with you. Without that reason to postulate I'm not sure why this matters to this argument.

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This is just silly. It doesn't explain anything, and you certainly can't make any claim that our universe is more likely to be created than non-created. It just doesn't follow from anything.

[/ QUOTE ] Yes it is silly, but it is as college kid pointed out a infinately better argument than the ones for any particular God. It is logical, It may not follow logically that we live in a created one soley becuse of the properties. I'm just not stating what you believe I'm stating