50 NL 6m: Nut straight on 3-flush board

[emon87]

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
hero: $89.40
UTG+1: $8
CO: $88.45
Button: $16.50
SB: $78.75
BB: $63.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $2</font>, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: ($4.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets $3</font>, BB calls.

Turn: ($10.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $25</font>, hero calls.

River: ($60.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB is all-in $33.7</font>, hero calls.

Villain was unknown. Is this super standard? I assumed I was done by the flush.

[AKQJ10]

Against an unknown Villain, fold to the turn raise. You're drawing dead.

Against someone who you know to be capable of a big turn semibluff, sometimes fold and sometimes three-bet. At the very least she probably has the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] so you want to punish her semibluff.

[emon87]

So unknown is really a fold here? that seems very weak. Not that I don't believe you... it just seems weak.

[pacman2k7]

I would fold KJs on UTG...

[nogenius]

You can't fold this river if you call the turn raise by BB.

I would have folded turn.

[AKQJ10]

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So unknown is really a fold here? that seems very weak. Not that I don't believe you... it just seems weak.

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Against an unknown. The first rule of low-stakes poker, one I'm trying to learn, is that people usually have what they say they have.

Now, you shouldn't always fold in this situation. If someone who saw this action makes a similar play three orbits later, you might have to call or 3-bet. At some point you're going to have to take a stand against observant opponents. But until you have some history here, you can't assume an unknown is an observant opponent.

If you're really worried that "default" players in your game are going to try this semibluff profitably, then look at the second hand on your watch. If it's between :00 and :15, 3-bet all-in. Else fold.

But in my book, an unknown has a flush here and is exuberant about it. I'll give them credit for being less straightforward once they show it.

[daniPoker]

I fold to the villain's turn reraise. Maybe it's a move, but without a read on that player I tend to fold this hand.

[emon87]

OK, I guess the consensus is to fold. I ended up winning the hand (he had a set of nines) so I suppose that influenced my thinking here.

[AKQJ10]

Then be sure to make a note that he's a compulsive slowplayer who likes to spring to life on the turn with a set no matter what. Next time in this situation against him, he's not an unknown.

This way of playing, while not what I'd expect by default, isn't rare. By default I'd expect a donkish slowplay on the flop followed by check-call on the turn and river once the scare card comes.

[barryc83]

Fold turn against unknowns all day.