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#12
12-27-2006, 05:41 PM
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Results
I shoved (but then wondered after the fact whether I should have called to try to induce further callers to increase my pot odds, which is why I made this post). UTG+1 thought for a few minutes, then called with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Qx. SB had KxJ[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] The poker gods gave me a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the river and MHIG.
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#13
12-27-2006, 06:12 PM
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Re: Results
very nice sir
At first I was thinking of shoving, but I really like the mini-raise comment that is actually really good to do that in this spot.
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#14
12-27-2006, 06:27 PM
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Re: Results
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At first I was thinking of shoving, but I really like the mini-raise comment that is actually really good to do that in this spot. [/ QUOTE ] But then we lose fold equity.
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#15
12-27-2006, 07:04 PM
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Re: Results
In some cases ya, but in your spot pushing all in the flop does look like "pushing a flush draw".
The smaller re-raise represents more of a made hand and would be very deceptive. You may get yourself a free turn card this way also. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] At first I was thinking of shoving, but I really like the mini-raise comment that is actually really good to do that in this spot. [/ QUOTE ] But then we lose fold equity. [/ QUOTE ]
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#17
12-28-2006, 10:21 AM
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Re: Results
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[ QUOTE ] At first I was thinking of shoving, but I really like the mini-raise comment that is actually really good to do that in this spot. [/ QUOTE ] But then we lose fold equity. [/ QUOTE ] The best shoving does for us here in terms of folding equity is buying 2 outs. Shoving is ok and +EV but I think calling is better. If UTG pushes a blank turn then fold, if he checks then awsome, check behind. You've just gotten to see 2 more cards for only $125, that's awsome. Either way your flop call was greatly +EV.
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#18
12-28-2006, 10:25 AM
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Re: Nut flush draw on flop in raised multi-way pot 400NL
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mostly likely SB has a set. [/ QUOTE ] Are you for real? SSNL
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#19
12-28-2006, 11:14 AM
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Re: Results
Even without knowing the results UG+1 has priced you into the pot, so folding would not be an option for me.
I like both the min raise and shove plays. If you min raise, miss the turn and UG+1 shoves, you still have a mandatory call here. You can't know it, but so does he. My personal preference is for the min raise on the flop as it prices in a smaller flush draw and there is still a chance that you will get checked to on the turn and get to the river without committing your whole stack. Another reason I like to min raise in your postition is that after rebuying it might look like you are trying to buy the pot after suffering a bad beat. Then UG+1 might try to trap by checking a big hand to you and let you hang yourself on the turn. At that point you can either hang yourself or take the free card.
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#20
12-28-2006, 11:48 AM
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Re: Results
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] At first I was thinking of shoving, but I really like the mini-raise comment that is actually really good to do that in this spot. [/ QUOTE ] But then we lose fold equity. [/ QUOTE ] The best shoving does for us here in terms of folding equity is buying 2 outs. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks Nick. But, isn't "fold equity" in this case giving you a greater benefit than just the 2 outs -- in the form of a significant amount of dead money in the pot?
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