NL25 --- strange turn call

[hippitro]

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MP4 ($24.63)
LP ($9.05)
CO ($12.95)
Button ($45.31)
SB ($11.86)
BB ($25)
EP ($35.77)
MP1 ($43.44) -- (50/7.5/2.2/about 100 hands)
MP2 ($26.15)
Hero ($63.08)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 raises $0.75, Hero raises $2.25, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, MP1 calls $1.5,

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.87)
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.75</font>, MP1 calls $4.75,

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($14.37)
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $13.51</font>, MP1 calls $13.51,

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($41.39)
MP1 checks, Hero </font> <font color="red">????? </font>


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[Bring_Me_Down]

Hero shoves..

[hippitro]

and... (any poker advice?)

[Sir Winalot]

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and... (any poker advice?)

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Shove = all-in

[klezmaniac]

I check. There's a lot of money in this pot for just TPTK. Villain has called two nearly pot-sized bets with what? AK? AQ? If he raised and called with AJ you're beat. I can't see him calling all the flop and turn bets with any pocket pairs other than ones that have you beat: AA &amp; JJ.

--klez

[CobraGoat]

Why would you shove here for ~$40 more? What does villain call with that hero beats? maybe AQ, AT doubtful. hero gets called predominantly by hands that beat him.

I check this or make smaller value bet that might get called by a worse hand.

[klezmaniac]

I fundamentally agree with you, Cobra. But if you make a value bet here, what do you do if the villain shoves?

--klez

[CobraGoat]

I call. My thought being that if i value bet here then there is a higher chance i get paid off by a worse hand then if i just shove. Although i admit a river checkraise would be depressing and a difficult to deal with. That being said, I rarely see a river checkraise here the way the hand has played out. But i gotta go with my read. i usually pick up fairly quickly which players are calling down and which players are sly/patient enough to go for the river check riaise w a monster in this type of situation. Thus i check behind on river if i think they are super trappy and bet for value if they cant get off a worse A.

In all honesty i check this river %90 of the time and that may be a weak leak of mine.

[Javanewt]

I check. Very nice pot to win with top pair--why risk it?

[orange]

stacks are pretty deep. unless he's a horrendous player, i typically bet a bit smaller on all streets, no real reason to pot pot pot pot pot pot. i think that you can shove in this instance due to stack sizes and feel good about it most times.