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#1
12-24-2006, 04:34 AM
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Two hands from Full Tilt $24+2 DS
First hand is the very first hand of tourney so obv no reads. 2nd hand the only reason I'm calling preflop is for set value. I think we're deep enough so i get the right implied odds to do that. Oh yea this is pot-limit also.
Thoughts? (Raw HH because converter won't work) Hand 1: Full Tilt Poker Game #1465171742: $3,000 Guarantee (10141335), Table 13 - 15/30 - Pot Limit Hold'em - 3:01:00 ET - 2006/12/24 Big_Froggy_K is feeling angry bluffmast234 posts the small blind of 15 Earthcloud posts the big blind of 30 The button is in seat #9 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to QuadsUp [Qs As] Rondeez NUTS folds Big_Froggy_K is feeling normal Big_Froggy_K is feeling happy flopem25 folds xino97 raises to 105 Big_Froggy_K folds QuadsUp calls 105 maximus-cashus folds bluffmast234 folds Earthcloud has 15 seconds left to act Earthcloud folds *** FLOP *** [6h Jc 6c] xino97 checks QuadsUp checks *** TURN *** [6h Jc 6c] [Ac] xino97 bets 127 QuadsUp raises to 300 xino97 raises to 1,155 QuadsUp has 15 seconds left to act QuadsUp folds hand 2: Full Tilt Poker Game #1465219333: $3,000 Guarantee (10141335), Table 13 - 20/40 - Pot Limit Hold'em - 3:13:31 ET - 2006/12/24 Seat 1: bluffmast234 (3,595) Seat 2: Earthcloud (2,915) Seat 3: Rondeez NUTS (3,165) Seat 4: flopem25 (3,045) Seat 5: xino97 (2,490) Seat 6: Big_Froggy_K (1,185) Seat 7: QuadsUp (2,535) Seat 8: maximus-cashus (2,460) Seat 9: billmarks456 (7,513) Earthcloud posts the small blind of 20 Rondeez NUTS posts the big blind of 40 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to QuadsUp [2s 2c] flopem25 folds xino97 calls 40 Big_Froggy_K folds QuadsUp calls 40 maximus-cashus folds billmarks456 folds bluffmast234 has 15 seconds left to act bluffmast234 folds Earthcloud raises to 200 Rondeez NUTS folds xino97 folds QuadsUp calls 160 *** FLOP *** [Kd 6s 4c] Earthcloud checks QuadsUp checks *** TURN *** [Kd 6s 4c] [2d] Earthcloud checks QuadsUp bets 240 Earthcloud calls 240 *** RIVER *** [Kd 6s 4c 2d] [Td] Earthcloud checks QuadsUp ? 
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#2
12-24-2006, 05:44 AM
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Re: Two hands from Full Tilt $24+2 DS
Hand#1: On the turn, the hands I find in villains probable range that beat you are AK/AJ/JJ/. And I think villain would have bet the flop with AJ. Anyhow, I don't know if it's right to fold turn.
Hand#2: I don't think you are deep enough to call this raise for setvalue. It is +EV if you stack him every time you hit, but that's optimistic, and sometimes you lose with a set too. So fold preflop. Your turn bet is allright. I'd bet something like t500 on the river.
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#3
12-24-2006, 05:53 AM
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Re: Two hands from Full Tilt $24+2 DS
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Hand#1: On the turn, the hands I find in villains probable range that beat you are AK/AJ/JJ/. And I think villain would have bet the flop with AJ. Anyhow, I don't know if it's right to fold turn. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see villain 3-betting me w/ anything I'm beating here, unless he is semibluffing w/ the Kc. Either way if I call his 3-bet I'm pretty much committed to call a river push and that kind of sucks.
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#4
12-24-2006, 05:54 AM
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Re: Two hands from Full Tilt $24+2 DS
#1 is interesting and I dont know I might get stacked at this buyin but I can defenitely understand your fold.
#2 holla at your boy t555 or t666 or both fine.
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#5
12-24-2006, 10:56 AM
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Re: Two hands from Full Tilt $24+2 DS
Hand 1: Good laydown.
Hand 2: I would check the river. While I think QQ, JJ are posible, I would discount them due to no bet on flop. AdXd or TT are also posible. Your bet on the turn looks like it could be a flush draw so I don't think you would get paid off much by hands you beat and otherwise you are getting called or raised by hands that beat you.
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#6
12-24-2006, 11:12 AM
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Re: Two hands from Full Tilt $24+2 DS
Hand 2 You guys are giving players early in a $24 game way too much credit. I would definitely value bet the river. The only hand I would be frightened of is KK. He would definitely play it soft. But would he bet 200 pf with KK?? I didn't calculate the size of the pot but I would bet a tad over 1/2 the pot.
Obviously, AACardplayer, you are a player. Please don't played scared. If he does have KK, so be it. Stipe
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#7
12-24-2006, 11:18 AM
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Re: Two hands from Full Tilt $24+2 DS
Hand #1: I think this could be a fold as most people 3 betting range is pretty small and I rarely expect to see a worse hand make this move, unless he is really terrible of course. I think AK, AQ and AJ are a strong part of his range, JJ and QKc too.
Hand #2: this is a very easy value bet.
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#9
12-24-2006, 12:30 PM
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Re: Two hands from Full Tilt $24+2 DS
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Hand 2 You guys are giving players early in a $24 game way too much credit. I would definitely value bet the river. The only hand I would be frightened of is KK. He would definitely play it soft. But would he bet 200 pf with KK?? I didn't calculate the size of the pot but I would bet a tad over 1/2 the pot. Obviously, AACardplayer, you are a player. Please don't played scared. If he does have KK, so be it. Stipe [/ QUOTE ] I find it incredible that you don't include TT or flush in opponents range but you think opponent would call with what? Do you think opponent would raise 200 BTF and then not bet the flop with a K? Do you think opponent would call with a smaller pair but not TT? It's true that you are ahead of a wide range but the question is weighing what an opponent will call with that you beat vs what he would call/raise with that beat you.
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#10
12-24-2006, 04:24 PM
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Re: Two hands from Full Tilt $24+2 DS
Alright let me add alil to the river play om hand #2. I ended up making a value bet of 1/2 the pot, because I thought a weakly played QQ-JJ was def in his range and he might pay me off with those. KK I wasn't to concerned about, since I thought he would've opted to checkraise me on the turn w/ that to build the pot and protect against a possible flushdraw.
I was slightly worried about 1010 or a flush getting there though, such as AdQd, but I think the times he pays me off w/ QQ-JJ outweighs the times he has a hand that beats me. Also, most people would lead this river if they got there because they would be worried I would check behind when a scare card hit the river. So anyhow.... Full Tilt Poker Game #1465219333: $3,000 Guarantee (10141335), Table 13 - 20/40 - Pot Limit Hold'em - 3:13:31 ET - 2006/12/24 Seat 1: bluffmast234 (3,595) Seat 2: Earthcloud (2,915) Seat 3: Rondeez NUTS (3,165) Seat 4: flopem25 (3,045) Seat 5: xino97 (2,490) Seat 6: Big_Froggy_K (1,185) Seat 7: QuadsUp (2,535) Seat 8: maximus-cashus (2,460) Seat 9: billmarks456 (7,513) Earthcloud posts the small blind of 20 Rondeez NUTS posts the big blind of 40 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to QuadsUp [2s 2c] flopem25 folds xino97 calls 40 Big_Froggy_K folds QuadsUp calls 40 maximus-cashus folds billmarks456 folds bluffmast234 has 15 seconds left to act bluffmast234 folds Earthcloud raises to 200 Rondeez NUTS folds xino97 folds QuadsUp calls 160 *** FLOP *** [Kd 6s 4c] Earthcloud checks QuadsUp checks *** TURN *** [Kd 6s 4c] [2d] Earthcloud checks QuadsUp bets 240 Earthcloud calls 240 *** RIVER *** [Kd 6s 4c 2d] [Td] Earthcloud checks QuadsUp bets 480 Earthcloud raises to 1,440 QuadsUp ?
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