10/20 300bb semibluff... bluff

[TheWorstPlayer]

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disagree. river push is fine if you think his range is predominantly small overpairs which will always check behind river. there is less than a PSB left. you can def push it in here for value...

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you know there's a reason why cts titled the post "semibluff...bluff": the requisite table conditions for this being a value bet are almost in place.

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i'm confused. are you agreeing with me or wit MDMA? MDMA said that he thinks pushing with AK on this river is alwaysa mistake and I was saying that it might be a good value bet under certain conditions. are you commenting on this debate? or still discussing cts' bluff? i'm just not sure what your comment was in reference to...

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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disagree. river push is fine if you think his range is predominantly small overpairs which will always check behind river. there is less than a PSB left. you can def push it in here for value...

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you know there's a reason why cts titled the post "semibluff...bluff": the requisite table conditions for this being a value bet are almost in place.

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i'm confused. are you agreeing with me or wit MDMA? MDMA said that he thinks pushing with AK on this river is alwaysa mistake and I was saying that it might be a good value bet under certain conditions. are you commenting on this debate? or still discussing cts' bluff? i'm just not sure what your comment was in reference to...

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sorry, i thought you were talking about 77 being a value push here on cts' part (which obviously would be retarded). comment withdrawn.

[MDMA]

Man TWP, pushing river here in AKs spot is beyond horrible, really [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[TheWorstPlayer]

there's only 3k left in a 5k pot and you have top-top. pushing is definitely not 'beyond horrible'.

[PickyTooth]

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cts's play was fine. AK's turn play was disgusting.

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Why was AK's turn play disgusting ? isn't he getting like 4 to 1 on his call ?

[Speedlimits]

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cts's play was fine. AK's turn play was disgusting.

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Why was AK's turn play disgusting ? isn't he getting like 4 to 1 on his call ?

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3 to 1 plus implied odds. Turn is auto call by villian.

[ActionJeff]

I think your line looks a lot like a bluff to this villain, esp with your image.

I don't know your game, but I doubt you are much more reckless than I am, and if I was in ur spot against that particular villain he would probably call the river push after calling turn.

edit- just read results. Maybe I am being results oriented but I think if villain plays Aks as such then he is certainly calling river with a big pair as well. And with the read that villain (apparently) had I don't mind his turn play either.

[donkey]

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cts's play was fine. AK's turn play was disgusting.

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Why was AK's turn play disgusting ? isn't he getting like 4 to 1 on his call ?

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3 to 1 plus implied odds. Turn is auto call by villian.

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uhhhhhhhhhhhh...he bet 1/2 pot on this particular turn, and then coldcalled. worst possible turn play ever.

[Fhil Ivey]

ok just to chime in... My thoughts in this hand ^^. I was trying to represent an overpair on the turn with the half pot bet. I felt at the time that if I potted the turn it would look less believable that I have an overpair.

I had a feeling my bet induced a bluff (because it was small). He was repping a straight. I didn't really believe him but I had odds to call for a spade. Then the river came. I made a tilt ass call. LOL.

If theres any better way to play the hand please tell me. and CTs im staying away from you now lol.

[donkey]

if you bet that small, it's to set-up a 3-bet allin. checkraiseallin works too. bet/calling is just pretty bad