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#41
12-21-2006, 04:08 PM
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Re: Awkward bubble spot
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There is no way -5% can be right. It is -0.9% against a top 25% SB open. Add in the dead 800 and it is easily +EV. That said, UTG would have to be a real idiot to fold this hand. Curtains point is a good one but only if you intend to get the chips in (unless everyone decides to go all-in behind or something crazy). I can't imagine folding being good against two reasonable ranges given the stack sizes. I would def go all-in though as calling has no upside and can only cost us (barring a very unlikely turn/river parlay). [/ QUOTE ] I believe there are spots postflop where its clearly correct to not put the chips in. 
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#42
12-21-2006, 05:25 PM
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Re: Awkward bubble spot
one reason i like calling is that if SB is a big fish, he is probably checking this flop even if he hits it. perhaps even if he hits it bigtime
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#43
12-21-2006, 06:50 PM
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Actual hand
Okay, I tweaked the variables to try and make it really close/tough. The actual hand was quite a bit easier, b/c my relative position was goot - I got to know whether shorty was all-in before I had to put any more chips in myself with big stack on my immediate left, and I had a few chips still if I folded postflop. I guess you can get in some awkward spots still, but as long as I had top pair, I was calling big stack regardless, and as long as shorty was all-in, I was all-in (maybe absent a truly, truly ugly board). With 2nd stack at > 4,000 chips, increasing my chances of 3rd place has tremendous value IMO.
Blinds 120/240 UTG(6,869) BTN (4,281) SB(925) BB/Hero (1,425) *** HOLE CARDS *** Hero [Th As] UTG raises to 840 BTN folds SB calls 720 <font color="red"> leaving 85 chips </font> Hero calls 600 <font color="red"> leaving 585 chips </font> *** FLOP *** [5s 5h Td] SB checks Hero checks UTG checks *** TURN *** [5s 5h Td] [2h] SB checks BB checks UTG checks *** RIVER *** [5s 5h Td 2h] [9c] SB bets 85, and is all in Hero calls 85 UTG folds *** SHOW DOWN *** (in white) <font color="white"> SB shows [9s Qs] (two pair, Nines and Fives) Hero shows [Th As] (two pair, Tens and Fives) Hero wins the pot (2,690) with two pair, Tens and Fives </font> Oh yeah, and I agree with the point that if you're shorty (in the tweaked variables example) this is why you raise short of all-in, it is a good deterrent to getting in a 3-way pot for your life. Heck, even if I have AA or KK, there's a number of spots where I don't want a 3-way pot in a 50/30/20 payout structure. There's a reason why many players do this, it is effective.
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#45
12-21-2006, 07:40 PM
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Re: Actual hand
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Okay, I tweaked the variables to try and make it really close/tough. The actual hand was quite a bit easier, b/c my relative position was goot - I got to know whether shorty was all-in before I had to put any more chips in myself with big stack on my immediate left, and I had a few chips still if I folded postflop. I guess you can get in some awkward spots still, but as long as I had top pair, I was calling big stack regardless, and as long as shorty was all-in, I was all-in (maybe absent a truly, truly ugly board). With 2nd stack at > 4,000 chips, increasing my chances of 3rd place has tremendous value IMO. Blinds 120/240 UTG(6,869) BTN (4,281) SB(925) BB/Hero (1,425) *** HOLE CARDS *** Hero [Th As] UTG raises to 840 BTN folds SB calls 720 <font color="red"> leaving 85 chips </font> Hero calls 600 <font color="red"> leaving 585 chips </font> *** FLOP *** [5s 5h Td] SB checks Hero checks UTG checks *** TURN *** [5s 5h Td] [2h] SB checks BB checks UTG checks *** RIVER *** [5s 5h Td 2h] [9c] SB bets 85, and is all in Hero calls 85 UTG folds *** SHOW DOWN *** (in white) <font color="white"> SB shows [9s Qs] (two pair, Nines and Fives) Hero shows [Th As] (two pair, Tens and Fives) Hero wins the pot (2,690) with two pair, Tens and Fives </font> Oh yeah, and I agree with the point that if you're shorty (in the tweaked variables example) this is why you raise short of all-in, it is a good deterrent to getting in a 3-way pot for your life. Heck, even if I have AA or KK, there's a number of spots where I don't want a 3-way pot in a 50/30/20 payout structure. There's a reason why many players do this, it is effective. [/ QUOTE ] How is SB all in? Do you mean UTG finally bet and SB folded for 85 more on the river? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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