Turn semi-bluff shove

2Paul2 · #1 12-20-2006, 10:33 AM

Villain has been fairly snug over a small sample.

I doubled up w/ 22 when I hit a set and stacked KK. Been my usual t(sl)ag self but this is my 1st 3bet so my hand range should seem fairly small to him.

Full Tilt Poker
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

Stack Sizes
UTG: $216.35
MP: $197
Hero (CO): $368.40
BTN: $205.30
SB: $175.25
BB: $309.7

Preflop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3, 6 players)
UTG folds, MP raises to $7, Hero raises to $24, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds, MP calls $17

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($51, 2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $39, MP calls $39

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] ($129, 2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets all in for $305.40,

Just to clarify it's about 135 for him to call.

Watcha think his range is on the turn?

How much of it do you reckon I can fold v a tightish unknown?

Is checking better?

Paul

bhudson · #2 12-20-2006, 11:39 AM

I like it. If you check the turn, you may not get paid off on the river anyway. A huge part of his range is OC w/FD so all of that is folding, and 88/TT/JJ is folding too.

epdaws · #3 12-20-2006, 11:42 AM

Well, since I make plays like this rather often, I love it. I think it indeed folds out some strong big pairs. My mistake is running into sets too often when I do this. But I think it's +EV; Villain can't call without a monstrous pair at a minimum.

Jigsaws · #4 12-20-2006, 11:44 AM

I'd play it the same, and I think it folds out anything but QQ+/set.

Dan Bitel · #5 12-20-2006, 12:30 PM

I wonder what has more FE, a push or a smaller (~$90?) bet? Thoughts?

But yeah, I'm always betting this turn, and also betting it some % of the time that I don't pick up a FD

FGators · #6 12-20-2006, 01:01 PM

This seems perfect to me.

Stealthy · #7 12-20-2006, 02:16 PM

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I wonder what has more FE, a push or a smaller (~$90?) bet? Thoughts?

But yeah, I'm always betting this turn, and also betting it some % of the time that I don't pick up a FD

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I always figured that betting a specific amount was better than pushing when bluffing. For some reason I tend (although far from always) to shove when I want a big hand to look bluffy and bet an exact sum when I really would prefer him to fold.

Here I bet enough to show that I am committed to an allin so that he knows that he is playing for his stack but has 0% fold equity. Has the added effect of perhaps saving a few $s if he just calls again and I brick.

orange · #8 12-20-2006, 02:18 PM

I think its okay. Any thoughts on a flop check here?

IMWITHSTUPID · #9 12-20-2006, 02:25 PM

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Any thoughts on a flop check here?

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Nooo, I really like your line, I play it excactly the same (on the good days)

ajmargarine · #10 12-20-2006, 02:25 PM

As played, it's probably good. He should be able to fold TT/JJ to your push. Flop bet is probably -EV against a snug villian unless you are willing to fire again.