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#1
12-17-2006, 11:51 AM
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call the turn, fold the river
1-2 live commerce. it's 6 handed and the guy who just sat down is asian guy and he's playing looser than the last time i played with him than id seen him play before. for instance a really really tight player openraised utg and he coldcalled with AJo. im not saying i thought this guy was good before, but he did play in a way that i thought he would make this fold. so that's about all i can say about him prior to this hand. i should also note that from previous sessions he always thinks im FOS and completely pays me off when i have him beat.
he openraises utg, i 3 bet w/ AQ in the cutoff, he calls, heads up. the flop is KK8. he bets, i raise, he calls. the turn is an 8. he bets, i call. the river is a 6. he bets, i fold (?) 
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#2
12-17-2006, 12:15 PM
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Re: call the turn, fold the river
I am not sure what your flop raise was intending to do. A call here will look pretty scary to him and get you a free card just as often as you will by raising since he will often play defense with a hand like TT or JJ. As played your river fold is good but I think you can fold the turn given the posssiblity that you are drawing dead. Seems to be a pretty silly time for him to run a bluff with 77 here even if he thinks you are FOS.
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#4
12-17-2006, 02:30 PM
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Re: call the turn, fold the river
when i read the title of the post i expected something like
i 3 bet AQ, KK8 flop, he bets i call. turn 8, he bets i call. river x he bets i fold. w/ that player description it indeed looks like youa re going to pay off on the river and as such, given your pf 3 bet, flop and turn call, he is probably more interested in getting a bet out of you w/ a non-a hand than he would be trying to get another A to fold for a bet or risk getting raised off the pot on the river. w/ that logic call-call-fold makes sense. i don't get your flop raise. i agree the river is a fold, but i think you've put in a bit more money than you had to. it might also be worth calling down if he's getting very out of line. doesn't seem like he is. one FINAL note is that you do now beat <=77 apart from 66, so if you think his flop play is consistent w/ that kind of hand (which it is) and that he'd bet the turn and river rather than give up, then calling the river is ok if he is looking to be that desperate. again that doesn't seem to be the case. -Barron
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#5
12-18-2006, 07:59 AM
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Re: call the turn, fold the river
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please explain the flop raise. [/ QUOTE ] #2
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#6
12-18-2006, 12:05 PM
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Re: call the turn, fold the river
flop raise: im not going to go into too much detail about this raise because ive decided i want to write about this hand in my book. sorry. in short, i raise the flop with a K here and pocket pairs. i put him primarily on a pocket pair or an 8 and i like my chances of getting to the river for cheap against those hands by raising the flop.
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#7
12-18-2006, 07:08 PM
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Re: call the turn, fold the river
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[ QUOTE ] please explain the flop raise. [/ QUOTE ] #2 [/ QUOTE ] It's called the cheap showdown raise and it's very good against players who'd usually call the raise and try for a c/r on the turn with a good hand. Also, you wouldn't mind him folding trash.
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#8
12-18-2006, 09:12 PM
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Re: call the turn, fold the river
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flop raise: im not going to go into too much detail about this raise because ive decided i want to write about this hand in my book. sorry. in short, i raise the flop with a K here and pocket pairs. i put him primarily on a pocket pair or an 8 and i like my chances of getting to the river for cheap against those hands by raising the flop. [/ QUOTE ] Wait - you're writing a book?
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