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Old 12-15-2006, 02:30 AM
pokerlaw pokerlaw is offline
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Default Re: ($55) 18 person SNG 1st hand - value within shark scope??

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I don't see how raising KJo OOP is any good either.

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I would keep in mind that its not totally the same as OOP when you reraise PF and then respond to a reraise after you bet. itsn't that how you play KK? but granted you were right when you say FE is lower than normal against a donk
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Old 12-15-2006, 04:10 AM
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Default Re: ($55) 18 person SNG 1st hand - value within shark scope??

Ugly,ugly all in...i have to be honest. You did scope him, got the information...and you still push?! His range is A high to bottom pair...believe me...you beat NOTHING, and you can certainly expect him to call. Or how else do you think he`s got that awesome ROI ?! I mean, loosing to the rake or slightly -roi is acceptable for a decent player (running bad etc.). But your Villain is obviously a total FISH. Don`t take me wrong, i am the guy who WAS doing these kind of fancy moves on fishes. And believe me, they call you with jack high...So i just pass the advice on, which was given to me. Dont burn your fingers with fish

PF: I can`t help you, if you like your PF raise...Maybe a push would be better (if you are so bored and wanna start fancy plays). But the usual PF line is a Check/fold

I had to to learn the lesson "don`t bluff fish"...hopefully you don`t have to pay to much...

GL, hercules

@turnprohet: really good thought to think why he is bad. Of course he COULD be to nitty. But with these scope-data look more like a calling-station...
And nits usually have a positive ROI (like we 2+2...and MikeMQ1!!!!)
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Old 12-15-2006, 04:34 AM
AllinDan AllinDan is offline
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Default Re: ($55) 18 person SNG 1st hand - value within shark scope??

ugh. first of all I hate your pf raise. I know that you don't want to argue it, but I think it's very very bad.

edit: seriously, what are you trying to do with this raise? raising pre destroys your chances to get value the times you do flop a K or a J as you've represented a stronger hand than you have. You're just setting yourself up to NEED to battle over pots with nothing.

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I would keep in mind that its not totally the same as OOP when you reraise PF and then respond to a reraise after you bet. itsn't that how you play KK?

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Theres all kinds of problems with this statement (including that I don't know what your point is) but mostly there is a HUGE difference in the value of KK and KJo oop. Yes you can raise oop with KK but that's because you like almost all flops and on most flops you'll welcome a reraise on your flop bet. With KJ, if you flop nothing and bet and get raised you are lost.

edit: actually you aren't lost, you should fold, but you've created an expensive hand when you should have lost 20 chips.

As for this particular hand, I expect the avg -43% villain to look you up here with ANY pair and some A high hands as well. If you want to decide that his minraise is just testing you and show him your balls are big, fine, but this hand is gross.
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