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Old 12-14-2006, 08:18 PM
jstill jstill is offline
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Default AA can i fold?

3/6 wpex sb is a taggish regular hijack is a showdown monkey donk whos just plain bad.

hijack limps, sb raises, Hero 3bets AA in bb, hijack calls, sb calls

flop: K 8 7
sb bets, hero raises, hijack calls,sb 3bets, hero caps, hijack calls

turn: 3
sb checks, hero bets, hijack calls, sb raises, hero.... do i have to call down here?

I cant imagine him doing this with AK i dont have any notes on him overplaying a hand that way, and KK isnt possible not capping preflop so to fold i have to put his range on pretty much exactly 88 or 77 rite? i doubt he raises 78s in the sb with a limper but who knows I guess he could have that here.
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Old 12-14-2006, 08:35 PM
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Default Re: AA can i fold?

Pot is so huge you're almost getting odds to draw to your outs so your effective odds to calldown are pretty good. Against a solid TAG you're never good but there are only 6 combos of likely hands beating you. Do you have any notes on him? If you've seen him overplay in the past I'd calldown otherwise I think you can probably fold.
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Old 12-14-2006, 08:54 PM
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Default Re: AA can i fold?

I don't think I ever fold this with the reads you gave.
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Old 12-14-2006, 08:57 PM
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Default Re: AA can i fold?

i never would fold this. calldown
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:45 PM
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Default Re: AA can i fold?

calldown 100%
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:59 PM
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Default Re: AA can i fold?

This is nowhere close to a fold.
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Old 12-14-2006, 10:02 PM
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Default Re: AA can i fold?

ive pretty much never really thought about not showing down in these similar spots, he had shown a tremendous amount of strength though and im pretty sure im toast vs this guy at this point. The pots too big to try and save 2 bets i think but I figured Id ask if maybe this was the spot to, we re gettin about 15:1 or so with the call from the loose passive to go to the river and we have some implied odds when we hit, atleast 2 more bbs maybe 4.
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Old 12-14-2006, 10:18 PM
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Default Re: AA can i fold?

Call the turn check raise and fold if you do not improve.

If you don't hit your A or the board doesn't pair you are never good here. Even if the pot is huge save yourself the 1 bet. SB's line is extremely strong his check raise is not a semi bluff. It's a value check raise since you 3 bet pf and capped the flop he knows you are leading the turn when checked to.

The pot is still 3 way and even the donkey in the hand may have you beat with 2 pair although he is not your worry here

If the board pairs then calling the river bet is a possibilty but it would be close As it just counterfited his 2 pair or made him a boat.

He's holding either 88, 77, 33, or K8, K7, 78, all hands most tags would raise with pf if he knows the BB will fold and the limper is a donkey.

KK would have capped pf and 33 isnt bet-3 beting this flop

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