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#13
12-12-2006, 01:36 PM
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Re: unexpected raise from 2+2er
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yeah just fold. and i wouldnt fire this river, youre never folding even as little as a pocket pair here. i think he likely has 77 and got there on the river. [/ QUOTE ] I can't see 77 checking this river. 
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#14
12-12-2006, 01:37 PM
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Re: unexpected raise from 2+2er
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[ QUOTE ] yeah just fold. and i wouldnt fire this river, youre never folding even as little as a pocket pair here. i think he likely has 77 and got there on the river. [/ QUOTE ] I can't see 77 checking this river. [/ QUOTE ] 77 checks this river once in about never.
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#15
12-12-2006, 01:38 PM
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Re: unexpected raise from 2+2er
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You didn't mention your table image or BB's table image. There is one possibility that might not have occurred to you: SB could have quads. If you're extremely aggressive, SB might have slowplayed preflop or played for set value preflop, then gone for a checkraise on the flop and missed. Knowing that a turn bet would look fishy, he decided you wouldn't check behind twice and so went for a checkraise again, and missed again. Finally, when the river bricked he figured his only hope for getting any cash out of BB and you was if you bluffed the river, so he checked again. When you put in the money he hoped you might have gotten some miracle or slowplay, and so he keeps the betting alive with a raise. I'm not saying it's a likely hand, but it is something that's possible here. Also, 77 is a distinct possibility here: play for set value preflop, check flop when you miss, check turn intending to fold, spike a miracle and check-raise the river expecting to pick off a bluff and hoping to nail a slowplayed K or J. It seems to me that a thinking player tries to steal this pot earlier, or at LEAST with a lead on the river, rather than a check-raise. This CR looks like it's a hand. It may not be a fantastic hand, but it's a hand. Your river push will look incredibly suspicious here, and villain will be more likely than usual to call you. How much more likely is extremely difficult to quantify, but if villain has a K or better (not out of the question), I'd expect a call, and if villain has a loose seven I think he's typically folding preflop (unless he has 77, at which point you're never folding him). If villain had led, a bluff-raise would be quite frisky but potentially +EV. Instead, villain check-raised, and you have absolute air; I think a three-bet push after you've displayed this much weakness in the hand is probably a -EV play. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly my thinking, you just explain it way more elegantly.
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#16
12-12-2006, 01:38 PM
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Re: unexpected raise from 2+2er
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] yeah just fold. and i wouldnt fire this river, youre never folding even as little as a pocket pair here. i think he likely has 77 and got there on the river. [/ QUOTE ] I can't see 77 checking this river. [/ QUOTE ] 77 checks this river once in about never. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think checking 77 on this river is either bad or unlikely.
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#19
12-12-2006, 01:40 PM
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Re: unexpected raise from 2+2er
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[ QUOTE ] I dont think anyone folds anything by the way the hand is played. [/ QUOTE ] is he really checking 3 streets with what hes trying to represent [/ QUOTE ] I was actually referring to hero's stab on the river when checked to, not his attempting to b3b ai. I have no comment on that.
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#20
12-12-2006, 01:40 PM
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Re: unexpected raise from 2+2er
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] yeah just fold. and i wouldnt fire this river, youre never folding even as little as a pocket pair here. i think he likely has 77 and got there on the river. [/ QUOTE ] I can't see 77 checking this river. [/ QUOTE ] 77 checks this river once in about never. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think checking 77 on this river is either bad or unlikely. [/ QUOTE ] i think a 2p2er deciding to checkraise 77 on this river is about as likely as a 2p2er deciding to c/r bluff the river after flatcalling a raise pf and checking down two streets.
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