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Old 12-12-2006, 04:19 AM
dreed dreed is offline
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Default to push or make standard raise 3/4xs bb

blinds are 300/600 50ante I have 6k and sit in the c/o. Folded to me and we are about 20 spots from the money. Button has 15k sb 12k and bb 6.5k Naturally I get AKs no chance to lay this down here so my options are to make the standard raise at this table has been 3xs bb. With 10 bb left I m pot commited here once I raise as I m not playing for the small money. Do I make the standard raise or move in and force them to pick up a huge hand to give me atcion? I seem to be doing something wrong here as I like to make the standard raise and get the bb to play a weaker A or K with me. Which I like except when were near the bubble they are catching the 3 outers. So that leaves me thinking about pushing in and hope they fold settling for the blinds and antes.
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Old 12-12-2006, 04:24 AM
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Definitely push, it's the worst when you get committed with AK vs A9.
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Old 12-12-2006, 04:59 AM
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Default Re: to push or make standard raise 3/4xs bb

Standard push.
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Old 12-12-2006, 05:25 AM
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Default Re: to push or make standard raise 3/4xs bb

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Definitely push, it's the worst when you get committed with AK vs A9.

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how so only bad when the 9 comes off
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Old 12-12-2006, 06:23 AM
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Default Re: to push or make standard raise 3/4xs bb

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Definitely push, it's the worst when you get committed with AK vs A9.

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how so only bad when the 9 comes off

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Irony much?

Push it in baby.
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Old 12-12-2006, 08:23 AM
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Default Re: to push or make standard raise 3/4xs bb

If they are putting their money in when they only have 3 outs that's GOOD for you. No, actually that's GREAT for you. That said, when my stack is that small (M=4) I'm definitely in push/fold mode.
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:02 AM
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Default Re: to push or make standard raise 3/4xs bb

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Definitely push, it's the worst when you get committed with AK vs A9.

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how so only bad when the 9 comes off

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Recalibarte sarcasm meter immediately.

After recalibration is complete, push this preflop all day, every day.
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:27 AM
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Default Re: to push or make standard raise 3/4xs bb

This is an obvious push for the reasons said already... but also for the purposes of future hands.

You're short stacked and likely going to be in a lot of push/fold situations in the very near future. You'll surely be forced to do so with much worse hands than AK, and to survive you'll need those weak-hand pushes to make it through and steal the blinds. Pushing premium hands short stacked better disguises what you're doing and defends your ability to open-push with 9-6 next orbit.

In other words, when you're in p/f mode (which you clearly are here), don't deviate from that when you get good hands to try to induce action. Opponents will pick up on that very quickly and will be more willing to call your pushes later when you really, really, really want them to fold.

Of course, the best case here is that someone suspects you're pushbotting and calls with a weaker A, in which case you double up and are relatively safe for a bit. But more likely, you'll pick up the blinds and still be in p/f mode (or very close to it... different people have different threshholds, but 12BBs is still in it for me).

Matt
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:54 AM
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Default Re: to push or make standard raise 3/4xs bb

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Pushing premium hands short stacked better disguises what you're doing


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Do mean when Hero gets called and shows his hand down, or when he takes down the pot? Are you suggesting Hero should show his AK if he doesn't get called?
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:56 AM
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Default Re: to push or make standard raise 3/4xs bb

Not sure what he thinks on this, but I'll show it against bad players. Against good players I think it just makes it obvious that I'll be stealing a lot, so I'd rather not give anything away.
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