Flop 3-bet with TP, T9s

toss · #1 12-09-2006, 11:14 PM

Villain is TAG at 25.5/15.8 over 133 hands with normal aggression. I've been playing tight lately.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
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Stack sizes:
Button: $258.65
Hero: $325.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, Button raises to $7, SB folds, Hero calls, CO folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($17, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, Button raises to $24, Hero raises to $72...

I usually bet out. Sometimes I CR the flop. I think his minraise means "If Toss just calls the minraise he probably has an OESD or a pair. I can blow him off the turn if he does especially if an A, K, maybe Q falls.

So I just 3-bet planning to fold to a push. If he calls I probably c/f turn UI.

DaAznFella · #2 12-09-2006, 11:28 PM

i love the 3bet here because villain does this A LOT with marginal hands (in position) like AT, KT, etc. which can't call a 3bet, or even 88 or 99. I may be wrong, but it seems like villain has a hand that folds to a 3bet much more than he has 2pair (very unlikely given board/reads)/set/overpair.

orange · #3 12-09-2006, 11:30 PM

yuck. I prefer just calling/leading turn or calling/c/f turn to big bet or something other than this.

toss · #4 12-09-2006, 11:34 PM

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yuck. I prefer just calling/leading turn or calling/c/f turn to big bet or something other than this.

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Because we can make a better decision on the turn? Because villain doesn't minraise with enough marginal hands? Combination of the two?

orange · #5 12-10-2006, 12:13 AM

I just dont see the value in it. If you are doing this for your FE meh, I'd prefer having a hand that doesnt have decent showdown value.

keikiwai · #6 12-10-2006, 12:29 AM

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i love the 3bet here because villain does this A LOT with marginal hands (in position) like AT, KT, etc. which can't call a 3bet, or even 88 or 99. I may be wrong, but it seems like villain has a hand that folds to a 3bet much more than he has 2pair (very unlikely given board/reads)/set/overpair.

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i think you're wrong... a min-rr seems like he's just trying to pump the pot up

Imagethegod · #7 12-10-2006, 12:30 AM

hate the 3-bet, smooth call the re-raise, tens are not a hand that you can 3-bet with effectively, especially with this kicker. After the turn and river you'll most likely have yourself between a rock and a hard place.

Jay Riall · #8 12-10-2006, 12:39 AM

Check/call flop and reevaluate the turn, probably check-folding.

toss · #9 12-10-2006, 12:40 AM

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I just dont see the value in it. If you are doing this for your FE meh, I'd prefer having a hand that doesnt have decent showdown value.

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I'm not doing for the fold equity. If I just call then he can bet me off my hand on the turn quite a bit. If I 3-bet the flop I can be sure whether I'm behind or not.

pickless · #10 12-10-2006, 12:41 AM

I would wait for turn