2 pair on scary board

Casper05 · #1 12-09-2006, 02:59 AM

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls, Hero checks.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($3.5, 4 players)
Button checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $3, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($9.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $9, Hero raises to $25, UTG calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($59.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $59, Hero folds.

carnivalhobo · #2 12-09-2006, 03:03 AM

id be folding the flop almost always, river fold is standard.

straightflush · #3 12-09-2006, 03:03 AM

Fold this flop every time.

I would lead the turn and fold to a raise.

orange · #4 12-09-2006, 03:05 AM

explain your flop c/c?

Imagethegod · #5 12-09-2006, 03:11 AM

I'd take a different approach. I actually don't mind the flop c/c

I hate the c/r on the turn, if you're going to play this hand smooth call the turn

Now that river card seriously sucks, although you will be surprised how many times you're ahead here. That c/r on the turn reaaaally made this tough for you but being what it is, since I seen this baby through, I think I call here then minimize the window and pray to whatever God I believe in for a few seconds.

Casper05 · #6 12-09-2006, 03:14 AM

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explain your flop c/c?

[/ QUOTE ] sorry, I thought I included reads...I had a read that villian would bet any flop that he had 1st action on and would check down if he didnt improve after that

orange · #7 12-09-2006, 03:14 AM

I don't possibly understand the flop c/c. Your 2pair outs (7) might not even be clean, your J might not be clean either. Even if you suspect button of stealing you still don't have a hand really strong enough to call down with. He's probably bluffing with the best hand (a Q or something) if he's bluffing at all.

GambleAllNight · #8 12-09-2006, 03:15 AM

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id be folding the flop almost always, river fold is standard.

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goofyballer · #9 12-09-2006, 12:11 PM

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id be folding the flop almost always, river fold is standard.

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I agree, and just to elaborate, villain pretty much never has a good hand on riv b/c he'd be turning his hand into a bluff by making a huge bet on a scary board with something like TPGK here; he's totally wasting his showdown value, and while occasionaly you run into [censored] morons that don't understand this concept and do it anyway, against most players there's no way you're ahead unless he's doing it with total air (...and it's unlikely he made it to the riv with total air except a [censored] spade draw)

and even if he fell into the [censored] moron category he'd prob have better two pair to make this bet

Tickner · #10 12-09-2006, 12:14 PM

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id be folding the flop almost always, river fold is standard.

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yes, and drawing to a 2 pair or trips on the flop is pretty bad. Not many outs, and even if you spike your miricle 7 so many hands beat you, and its v possible you are dominated now by JQ JK AT, etc.