.05/.10 Stud 8 in HORSE what did I do wrong??

[RobBizzle]

I'm new to stud games in general. I have no idea if I played this correctly. I cant find a stud converter for UB so I apalogize for the hand history. Thanks fo your help.

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Hand #37112667-17201 at Reinbeck ($.05/$.10 7-card Stud 8/b)
Started at 07/Dec/06 00:33:57

sharonu is at seat 0 with $3.58.
A_thru_Z is at seat 1 with $4.78.
unlucky07 is at seat 3 with $3.29.
-Philippe- is at seat 4 with $9.98.
jbalzak is at seat 5 with $5.
JANELLA is at seat 6 with $3.51.
The button is at seat 4.

-Philippe- posts ante ($.01).
jbalzak posts ante ($.01).
JANELLA posts ante ($.01).
sharonu posts ante ($.01).
A_thru_Z posts ante ($.01).
unlucky07 posts ante ($.01).

3rd street:

sharonu: -- -- 5h
A_thru_Z: -- -- 6h
unlucky07: Ah Js Tc
-Philippe-: -- -- 4s
jbalzak: -- -- 2d
JANELLA: -- -- 8c

jbalzak brings in for $.02. JANELLA folds. sharonu
calls. A_thru_Z folds. unlucky07 raises to $.05.
-Philippe- folds. jbalzak calls. sharonu calls.

4th street:

sharonu: -- -- 5h 5s
unlucky07: Ah Js Tc 9s
jbalzak: -- -- 2d 9d

sharonu bets $.05. unlucky07 calls. jbalzak calls.


5th street:

sharonu: -- -- 5h 5s Ac
unlucky07: Ah Js Tc 9s 8s
jbalzak: -- -- 2d 9d Ts

sharonu bets $.10. unlucky07 calls. jbalzak folds.


6th street:

sharonu: -- -- 5h 5s Ac 6d
unlucky07: Ah Js Tc 9s 8s Jc

sharonu bets $.10. unlucky07 calls.

7th street:

sharonu: -- -- 5h 5s Ac 6d --
unlucky07: Ah Js Tc 9s 8s Jc 7s

sharonu bets $.10. unlucky07 raises to $.20.
sharonu re-raises to $.30. unlucky07 calls.



Showdown:

sharonu shows Ad 5d 4c 5h 5s Ac 6d.
sharonu has Ad 5d 5h 5s Ac: full house, fives full of aces (high).
sharonu has no qualifying low hand.
unlucky07 mucks cards.
(unlucky07 has Ah Js 7s Tc 9s 8s Jc.)


Hand #37112667-17201 Summary:

$.13 is raked from a pot of $1.36.
sharonu wins $1.23 with full house, fives full of aces.

[getfunky]

You have three overs to a weak board - good hand to raise with in stud high. In stud low you have a hand that should instantly hit the muck unless you're in a good steal situation. The board says stealing is a bad move with all the babies out there.

[RobBizzle]

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You have three overs to a weak board - good hand to raise with in stud high. In stud low you have a hand that should instantly hit the muck unless you're in a good steal situation. The board says stealing is a bad move with all the babies out there.

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Are you talking about Razz? Wouldnt I want to play this hand because with all of the low cards out I am drawing to probably the best high hand? Or are you saying that in stud 8 I should always have options for going for the high and the low in the pot?

[getfunky]

high drawing hands are money losers in stud 8 because typically your odds are cut in half. Try to play live big pairs which are obviously the best high hand on 3rd and play them against at most 2 opponents if possible. Low hands have the most value - 8/b is a game of low str8's and flushes, not so much a game of big cards; any 9-k in your hand should make you question playing the hand.

[RobBizzle]

Thanks for clearing that up funky

[Andy B]

At first I thought this was stud high. Even in that game, AJT isn't that great of a hand. In high-low it's complete crap. Muck it without second thought. Muck fourth street in either game as well. I don't really know how to play high straight draws in this game, but I'm guessing that fifth and sixth are folds as well. Your raise on the river only makes you money if the other guy has a weaker high hand and no low. Between the chance that he's got a low and the chance that he has a full house, I'd say your raise probably has negative expectation.

[Alchemist]

Virtually all decent starting hands in stud/8 consist of low cards. Even big pairs (99-KK) are weakish/tricky hands to play. Even if you make a good high hand, it'll often be for half the pot; and low draws frequently back into straights and flushes.

Not to mention the fact UB raking the penny tables 10% is a bad beat in iself.