Pocket TT and JJ

Silverback · #1 12-06-2006, 05:50 PM

Hand 1
Villian 30/20

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero ??????

Hand 2
Not to weak is it?
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero raises, MP calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

poisonxfree · #2 12-06-2006, 05:52 PM

I fold both. Hand 1 you can only call if you think he does this often enough with 99 and TT. Hand 2 this like is almost always a monster.

stickdude · #3 12-06-2006, 06:19 PM

Hand 1 - you capped pre-flop, an Ace hits, and he still raises the turn. He's obviously not scared of the Ace - probably because he has AK himself. I fold this one.

Hand 2 - what would he play that way that you're beating after the turn? AQ? Again, I don't see him with anything worse than AK here. Another fold.

Gib · #4 12-06-2006, 06:32 PM

You pretty much look like your behind on both, therefore I'm folding both of these.

Jiggymike · #5 12-06-2006, 07:18 PM

These are both folds. It sucks to abandon strong PF to not-too scary boards but you gotta do it sometimes, calling down is just spewing money.

Bullitos · #6 12-07-2006, 08:13 AM

fold both.

bbbushu · #7 12-07-2006, 11:03 AM

i'd fold both and play each hand the same way, as far as i can tell.

bbbushu

Kharlog · #8 12-07-2006, 12:41 PM

Why not to cap preflop on hand 2? If opponent is turn semibluff type I'd consider calling him down on hand 2. Hand 1 is clear fold under most circumstances. Did that opponent make a lot of turn raising and you folded to them all? If so, you might consider calling down sometimes with a good hand like these.

Goat_boy · #9 12-07-2006, 12:54 PM

If we think villain in hand 1 is decent and playing tightish, then id check-fold the turn.
He probably has us battered (going on PF 3bet and flop call)
and otherwise has loads of outs.
Just trying to get a grip on my weak-tightness.
Without a read i don{t know what id do.