2 hands folded

Silverback · #1 12-06-2006, 07:38 PM

Hand 1
Villain loose and passive, albeit 20 odd hands

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero ???????

Hand 2
BB solidish TAG, others loose fish
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP calls, Button calls, Hero folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP raises, Button 3-bets, BB folds, MP caps, Button calls.

River: (14.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets, Button raises, MP 3-bets, Button caps, MP calls.

Final Pot: 22.50 BB

Was the flop bet stupid on this flop? Fold correct?

Jiggymike · #2 12-06-2006, 08:31 PM

Hand 1 - Raise for free showdown unless you know he won't bet without at least top pair, then fold.

Hand 2 - Nice fold. Don't show the rest of action. You actually should have called on the flop for 1 more bet but then c/f turn.

stickdude · #3 12-06-2006, 08:34 PM

Hand 2 - Since it wasn't raised pre-flop, I'm fine with leading out on the flop - if the kicker were better, I'd even C/R the flop. When it comes back around after the raise, you're getting 11-1 on calling the raise. I probably call and see what happens on the turn.

On this turn, I'd check and then fold when all hell breaks loose - no way TP-middle kicker is good with that action.

Gib · #4 12-06-2006, 08:43 PM

Hand 1: Sometimes I raise for a FSD however I prefer just calling & letting him bet into me on the river.

Hand 2: same as what jiggymike said, b/c flop & c/f turn.

poisonxfree · #5 12-06-2006, 11:16 PM

Hand 1: I tend to call down

Hand 2: Pot is pretty big and I can't fold the flop getting 11:1 so I peel it and c/f turn UI.

Bullitos · #6 12-07-2006, 07:46 AM

I would call hand 1 down. Turn donk often means bluf or good hand, so raising wouldn't be good either way.

In hand 2 you have to call the flop. It's pretty drawy so that's why everybody is coldcalling. TAG also doesn't have a big hand since he's raising for protection, so if you hit a clean A or 7 you can donk the turn again protecting yourself against draws.