Just what is wrong with William Hill poker

[BurnleyMik]

Wow. I played Betfair quite a lot too and found it was one of the few sites where I continually lost money. Some of the bad beats were nuts, but i just stopped playing there....is that not the simple answer? If you won money on VC why the hell go back to WH if you are losing there?????

[AbreuTime]

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The flop comes
King of clubs, 8 of Clubs, 2 of Clubs.

So this is quite an interesting hand, it ticks all the boxes for players who know what they are doing, I hold the high pair with a decent kicker and one more card makes me a flush with a ten, the king is taken so that leaves only a few cards which will beat me plus there are only two other players, an atomic bomb could not take me off this hand , GLUE?


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Awesome description of the hand's infallibility. Perhaps you should look into writing for a living. I look forward to future posts.

[dreamland101]

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The flop comes
King of clubs, 8 of Clubs, 2 of Clubs.

So this is quite an interesting hand, it ticks all the boxes for players who know what they are doing, I hold the high pair with a decent kicker and one more card makes me a flush with a ten, the king is taken so that leaves only a few cards which will beat me plus there are only two other players, an atomic bomb could not take me off this hand , GLUE?


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Awesome description of the hand's infallibility. Perhaps you should look into writing for a living. I look forward to future posts.

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Don’t try and belittle the point of the thread by picking out one slightly bad example of a hand played, hopefully your just trying to be smart and not serious.

I expect there are countless people out there who can relate the point of this thread which I posted, I've not been paid to write this, I don’t expect to make any money back from expressing my opinion.

You should read it with a little but more respect for the time I have put into it.

1- What I said needed to be said by some one.
2- There are countless people who can relate to my assertation, it would have been nice if more of you fokes voiced up here, I know your out there because I've spoken to enough of you online.

3- If this post stops even one person from being given an unfair bad poker experience on the above sites, that will be good news in my mind.
4- Personally, all BS to the side, you don’t know me I don’t you know, in time this thread will die and we all will move on but personally, I feel insulted by WH. They have degraded a great game, I really like poker and again personally I am quite vexed with what they are obviously doing, I’m not stupid.

They (WH) don’t need to be implementing what ever it is they are doing, you know we all live for a short while and one of the rules that we must all live by is honesty, If you honestly beat me on Poker, great, if you are fixing the game.... well that’s criminal right?

Its only money in the end, but you know some thing, Some fokes out there, their money they have lost on the crypto network, they really needed that money, it was very important for them, that’s like taking life from some one in some situations.

It's really hard to comprehend but I've seen it with my own eyes too many times, over to many situations. Again and again and again, oh and again and again, Im not talking about bad beats im talking about rediculos fantasic land cards.

If its not fixed then all I can say is I am truly amazed. I really mean that. If some one from WH was able to prove to me that their system is all above board then I would have some big conversations to have with some fokes both online and off.

You don’t get quads cracked, you don’t get straight flushes cracked, you don’t see the obvious face off events happen again and again and again and again, its poker but even poker follows rules of expectance, poker off of WH on valid sites is predictable, on WH/Belfair, there is no floor to stand on, you do the moves, and nothing you get ripped. Sure you might make a few moves and make some money but as sure as the sun rises in the morning if you stick around you will be down, you will be played with not by other players (who are manly fish,"passive mostly" as well!) but the system, I might be wrong about that but if I had to stake my life on it, its fixed.


Answer to the question about staying on WH.

WH take cash at their high street stores and give out quick cash tickets, if you don’t have funds available for bank transfers, you can buy a ticket log on and upload the reception number.


It would be nice if some body found out some more information on the RNG in use at WH, who vets them independently if at all.

I wonder how many of you pro poker players risk your bank roll on WH, not many I expect, if you do your foolish because even the most vivid person who disagrees with me has to admit the cards don’t seem to fall right on there.

Any one actually up allot consistently over a long time period on there?


[Any one from WH who is reading this, I emailed you, your helpdesk, middle of year, and I stated three times in the email for you to provide me with your RNG details, is it random, you did not, you gave me some cut and paste email which did not answer my email at all, I have lost countless thousands on your poker site, I expect you know what I am saying is true, well here Ive put it all down for fokes to read I hope you are forced to provide a little bit more customer service in future. If some one asks for your card vaildation details you email them the independant verified certificate, like they did when I move to VC, do you even have one.

Im going to root out my emails to WH and post them here as follow ups to the main thread including the responces so people can see what Im talking about.

[dreamland101]

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I feel the same way. It's the only site I have lost money at.

When my KK got called by KJ and he hit quad Jacks... I left.

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Thats just one hand, Im talking about playing on there for over several months and watching "it".

Nice input thou im sorry that happend to you, good luck on the felt in the future, you where right to move, you would have seen LOTs more of that kind of stuff, lots.

[shabun]

OP,
You may need to know that WH is part of the Crypto Group, so the cards you are playing are the same ones as seen by Intercasino, Sun, Pokerplex and others. The players you are up against can come from any of those sites. The tables are shared between the sites. Are you saying that those sites are all rigged too?

Please provide your table name and I can check my records to see if we were ever at the same table.

[otnemem]

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The flop comes
King of clubs, 8 of Clubs, 2 of Clubs.

So this is quite an interesting hand, it ticks all the boxes for players who know what they are doing, I hold the high pair with a decent kicker and one more card makes me a flush with a ten, the king is taken so that leaves only a few cards which will beat me plus there are only two other players, an atomic bomb could not take me off this hand , GLUE?


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Awesome description of the hand's infallibility. Perhaps you should look into writing for a living. I look forward to future posts.

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Don’t try and belittle the point of the thread by picking out one slightly bad example of a hand played, hopefully your just trying to be smart and not serious.

I expect there are countless people out there who can relate the point of this thread which I posted, I've not been paid to write this, I don’t expect to make any money back from expressing my opinion.

You should read it with a little but more respect for the time I have put into it.

1- What I said needed to be said by some one.
2- There are countless people who can relate to my assertation, it would have been nice if more of you fokes voiced up here, I know your out there because I've spoken to enough of you online.

3- If this post stops even one person from being given an unfair bad poker experience on the above sites, that will be good news in my mind.
4- Personally, all BS to the side, you don’t know me I don’t you know, in time this thread will die and we all will move on but personally, I feel insulted by WH. They have degraded a great game, I really like poker and again personally I am quite vexed with what they are obviously doing, I’m not stupid.

They (WH) don’t need to be implementing what ever it is they are doing, you know we all live for a short while and one of the rules that we must all live by is honesty, If you honestly beat me on Poker, great, if you are fixing the game.... well that’s criminal right?

Its only money in the end, but you know some thing, Some fokes out there, their money they have lost on the crypto network, they really needed that money, it was very important for them, that’s like taking life from some one in some situations.

It's really hard to comprehend but I've seen it with my own eyes too many times, over to many situations. Again and again and again, oh and again and again, Im not talking about bad beats im talking about rediculos fantasic land cards.

If its not fixed then all I can say is I am truly amazed. I really mean that. If some one from WH was able to prove to me that their system is all above board then I would have some big conversations to have with some fokes both online and off.

You don’t get quads cracked, you don’t get straight flushes cracked, you don’t see the obvious face off events happen again and again and again and again, its poker but even poker follows rules of expectance, poker off of WH on valid sites is predictable, on WH/Belfair, there is no floor to stand on, you do the moves, and nothing you get ripped. Sure you might make a few moves and make some money but as sure as the sun rises in the morning if you stick around you will be down, you will be played with not by other players (who are manly fish,"passive mostly" as well!) but the system, I might be wrong about that but if I had to stake my life on it, its fixed.


Answer to the question about staying on WH.

WH take cash at their high street stores and give out quick cash tickets, if you don’t have funds available for bank transfers, you can buy a ticket log on and upload the reception number.


It would be nice if some body found out some more information on the RNG in use at WH, who vets them independently if at all.

I wonder how many of you pro poker players risk your bank roll on WH, not many I expect, if you do your foolish because even the most vivid person who disagrees with me has to admit the cards don’t seem to fall right on there.

Any one actually up allot consistently over a long time period on there?


[Any one from WH who is reading this, I emailed you, your helpdesk, middle of year, and I stated three times in the email for you to provide me with your RNG details, is it random, you did not, you gave me some cut and paste email which did not answer my email at all, I have lost countless thousands on your poker site, I expect you know what I am saying is true, well here Ive put it all down for fokes to read I hope you are forced to provide a little bit more customer service in future. If some one asks for your card vaildation details you email them the independant verified certificate, like they did when I move to VC, do you even have one.

Im going to root out my emails to WH and post them here as follow ups to the main thread including the responces so people can see what Im talking about.

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tl;dr (again)

[wazz]

This is either 0th level or somewhere between 6 and 7 1/2 levelling, in my estimation. tl; dr

[PoorTom]

Yay! He's back!!

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I expect there are countless people out there who can relate the point of this thread which I posted.


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Yes. That's because there are countless idiots out there.

Which is, of course, why the people who aren't idiots are able to make so much money. Whereas the people who are idiots just post idiotic posts on internet forums complaining that x poker site is rigged.

Gold, Jerry. GOLD!

[kimchi]

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The flop comes
King of clubs, 8 of Clubs, 2 of Clubs.

So this is quite an interesting hand, it ticks all the boxes for players who know what they are doing, I hold the high pair with a decent kicker and one more card makes me a flush with a ten, the king is taken so that leaves only a few cards which will beat me plus there are only two other players, an atomic bomb could not take me off this hand , GLUE?


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Awesome description of the hand's infallibility. Perhaps you should look into writing for a living. I look forward to future posts.

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Don’t try and belittle the point of the thread by picking out one slightly bad example of a hand played, hopefully your just trying to be smart and not serious.

I expect there are countless people out there who can relate the point of this thread which I posted, I've not been paid to write this, I don’t expect to make any money back from expressing my opinion.

You should read it with a little but more respect for the time I have put into it.

1- What I said needed to be said by some one.
2- There are countless people who can relate to my assertation, it would have been nice if more of you fokes voiced up here, I know your out there because I've spoken to enough of you online.

3- If this post stops even one person from being given an unfair bad poker experience on the above sites, that will be good news in my mind.
4- Personally, all BS to the side, you don’t know me I don’t you know, in time this thread will die and we all will move on but personally, I feel insulted by WH. They have degraded a great game, I really like poker and again personally I am quite vexed with what they are obviously doing, I’m not stupid.

They (WH) don’t need to be implementing what ever it is they are doing, you know we all live for a short while and one of the rules that we must all live by is honesty, If you honestly beat me on Poker, great, if you are fixing the game.... well that’s criminal right?

Its only money in the end, but you know some thing, Some fokes out there, their money they have lost on the crypto network, they really needed that money, it was very important for them, that’s like taking life from some one in some situations.

It's really hard to comprehend but I've seen it with my own eyes too many times, over to many situations. Again and again and again, oh and again and again, Im not talking about bad beats im talking about rediculos fantasic land cards.

If its not fixed then all I can say is I am truly amazed. I really mean that. If some one from WH was able to prove to me that their system is all above board then I would have some big conversations to have with some fokes both online and off.

You don’t get quads cracked, you don’t get straight flushes cracked, you don’t see the obvious face off events happen again and again and again and again, its poker but even poker follows rules of expectance, poker off of WH on valid sites is predictable, on WH/Belfair, there is no floor to stand on, you do the moves, and nothing you get ripped. Sure you might make a few moves and make some money but as sure as the sun rises in the morning if you stick around you will be down, you will be played with not by other players (who are manly fish,"passive mostly" as well!) but the system, I might be wrong about that but if I had to stake my life on it, its fixed.


Answer to the question about staying on WH.

WH take cash at their high street stores and give out quick cash tickets, if you don’t have funds available for bank transfers, you can buy a ticket log on and upload the reception number.


It would be nice if some body found out some more information on the RNG in use at WH, who vets them independently if at all.

I wonder how many of you pro poker players risk your bank roll on WH, not many I expect, if you do your foolish because even the most vivid person who disagrees with me has to admit the cards don’t seem to fall right on there.

Any one actually up allot consistently over a long time period on there?


[Any one from WH who is reading this, I emailed you, your helpdesk, middle of year, and I stated three times in the email for you to provide me with your RNG details, is it random, you did not, you gave me some cut and paste email which did not answer my email at all, I have lost countless thousands on your poker site, I expect you know what I am saying is true, well here Ive put it all down for fokes to read I hope you are forced to provide a little bit more customer service in future. If some one asks for your card vaildation details you email them the independant verified certificate, like they did when I move to VC, do you even have one.

Im going to root out my emails to WH and post them here as follow ups to the main thread including the responces so people can see what Im talking about.

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I didn't read any of that

[juggy_uk]

Dear all,

I'm a noob to this kind of posting so be nice.

I'm not specifically replying to 'dreamland101's post. BTW it was a VERY long post, but...

The last two Single table SNGs (90 mins of play) I played at William Hill saw one 'quad 9s', one 'quad Ks' and a 'royal flush'.

I'm not going to give you any bad beat stories because in my experience bad beats HAPPEN.

However, seening these 3 monster hands in such a short period of time makes me wonder.

Is this just the way randomness works out?

Most obliged for your time and views,

Juggy UK