NL200 KK

jetsetboy · #1 12-02-2006, 04:29 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($169.30)
Button ($235.30)
Hero ($198)
BB ($214.80)
UTG ($216.76)
UTG+1 ($355)
MP1 ($648)
MP2 ($479.65)
MP3 ($102)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, MP1 calls $2, MP2 raises to $12, 3 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $36, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $24.

Flop: ($78) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $20, Hero calls $20.

Turn: ($118) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $20, Hero Push, MP2 calls $122.

Spewing ? I was going for a c/c untill the river. The second jack made JJ less likely and I pushed.

Vilain is 23/7.3/3.7 is range include at least TT+/AKo maybe 88/99/AQs preflop. I don't think QQ would be an autofold for him there.

With AA I don't care to play and to lose a stack on this board given the effective stack size and the preflop action. With KK I usually control the pot size OOP on a J-high.board. The second jack made me change my mind.

FishRoller · #2 12-02-2006, 04:53 PM

I prefer c/r to like $75 on flop. Turn... i would puke and call b/c its small bet. I could definitely c AJ or even KJ or QJs. The question is, unless he's a really weak player or a complete idiot, wouldn't he only call here with better hands? Just call turn and maybe value bet river or c/c to induce bluffs from like AK or AQs or something, maybe value bet from like TT or QQ.

jetsetboy · #3 12-02-2006, 05:01 PM

Fishroller nearly nobody raise QJs or KJ in EP in FR except the worst LAG and even them don't call a RR for 1/7 of the effective stack when a Tight like reraise from the blinds with those crapy hands. He haven't seen me rr light a EP raiser and he is one the tight side.

toss · #4 12-02-2006, 05:04 PM

Hmmm I'm not sure I like the CR AI on the turn. If you want to get it AI I prefer call turn, push river instead.

I'm not sure I would want to get it AI in this spot. We're ahead of QQ,TT,88, but behind AA, sets, unlikely quad and tied with KK. I'm don't think villain is likely to get it Ai with TT and 88 here. I think I'd rather c/c again and decide on river.

Edit: Then again the flop c/c could make villain think you're calling with a smaller PP and making a wacky bluff on the turn.

Truballa_177 · #5 12-02-2006, 05:06 PM

flop is played rly weak. lead, 3-bet or chk raise

toss · #6 12-02-2006, 05:07 PM

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flop is played rly weak. lead, 3-bet or chk raise

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Why?

Truballa_177 · #7 12-02-2006, 05:20 PM

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flop is played rly weak. lead, 3-bet or chk raise

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opponents $20 bet means he wants information. he probably has something( straight draw, maybe AJ) if we raise were putting money in while ahead most likely. We will also have the lead in the hand and i like the having the leas because we are in control of the hand.

Tupacia · #8 12-02-2006, 05:23 PM

I'd lead the flop, looking to get it in. I don't play fullring because I'm not a masochist who enjoys watching paint dry, but you have two kings maaannnn. I don't understand why you're not leading after you RR preflop and took the initiative?

breandan · #9 12-02-2006, 05:23 PM

This seems like a wa/wb to me, although the turn bet would really confuse me and might just shove like op. But i think the best line is probably check/call turn and re-evaluate on river, leaning towards some kind of bet/call line? yuck.

toss · #10 12-02-2006, 05:27 PM

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flop is played rly weak. lead, 3-bet or chk raise

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Why?

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opponents $20 bet means he wants information. he probably has something( straight draw, maybe AJ) if we raise were putting money in while ahead most likely. We will also have the lead in the hand and i like the having the leas because we are in control of the hand.

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I don't think AJ calls a reraise preflop very much often. T8 is the only OESD which villain probably wouldn't call a reraise pf with and a bare gutshot ain't calling a checkraise.

We are keeping control of the hand by checking the flop.