Ftp stole my money

[BurnleyMik]

this just seems crazy to me. Whether or not eric is guilty does that fact not remain that he deserves a fair "trial"?? Why are we all bouncing around the facts. I agree as well that the HH will NOT improve the tricksters because it would have to be obvious for FTP to take money based on the strength of it. I feel full-tilt owes its players an explanation of why you cannot have a fair "trial"

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IMHO, this thread needs pics:

[LeeLoo]

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ARE ALL YOU FULL-TILT PLAYERS NOT WORRIED, AS I AM, THAT THEY WHOLE THING CAN OCCUR THE WAY IN WHICH IT HAS? IF THEY SAY YOU CHEATED, THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO A DEFENSE AND THAT IS IT. THEY TAKE YOUR MONEY, CLOSE YOUR ACCOUNT AND IGNORE YOU WHEN U ASK FOR AN EXPLANATION....I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT THAT IS THEFT IN MY EYES. I just want someone to take note of these posts and realise that these sites need some kind of regulatory body or independant specialists who can look into these cases with an impartial view and deal with them appropriately with all the evidence to back it up. Do you not agree? Are you happy leaving your funds in an account with a company that can seize them and not even explain,, because I am certainly not.

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He can defend himself. He can start by giving a "valid" reason he had 2 accounts. He can give a reason why 7 different CC fraudsters dumped to him. He can do much more than just keep asking the same questions and accusing FTP. He knows what he is accused of. he can go ahead and explain how he turned $600 into $14,000. He can tell us about some of his stellar play.

[Quanah Parker]

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I am now going to start ignoring any person that constantly insults me and bump this thread up until Doug provides evidence and/or hand history that I defrauded the site.

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Here's your story Eric, so everyone knows.

I created a SECOND honest account and funded it with $600. I immediately went to a table and played some random donk HU who happened to just create a new account and funded it with stolen credit card proceeds. I got lucky and won 8k from this random fraud donk playing HU and busted him.

When the donk left I went to other random tables and began my process of coverplay with the 8k I now had. I needed to make it look legit and played for several hours. After the several hours passed, and I felt secure in my belief that my coverplay would make me look legit, I cashed out everything from my new account and began to pray I'd get my money soon.

When I didn't, my only recourse was to set up new names at poker message forums and attempt to blackmail the site through negative publicity. When the site refuted my claims and exposed my multiple accounts, I then demanded they list HH's of my cover play and even the HH's of my dump play, which I made look perfectly normal, as we are trained to do.

I will never give any info to questions posed by me from regular message board members. Especially not the name of the fraud donk scammer that I was working with who dumped me his 8k of illegal funds. To do that would show he has no prior play on the site and make it harder for me to defend myself. Therefore I will claim to not remember anything from the play of that day.

I hope there are enough gullible people here to give me support on this message board. I really want to turn up the heat on FTP, even though it's me who is guilty.

Sincerely,

Eric Jones

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well said.

this thread is attracting the "poker is rigged" types!
Does anyone know the way to Roswell?

After reading all the fools supporting Eric, I'm going to play no where BUT Full Tilt this weekend.

And I wouldn't bother posting here if I was FTDoug. Why wreslte with pigs? You end up looking stupid, and the pig's got nothing better to do.

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one more for the road!!!

[phish]

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All you Eric fan boys are pathetic. And too those that CLAIM they will never play at FTP again, lol you know you will. I used to own Pizza shops and I cant even begin to tell you all the college students who claimed they would never order again because they were mad for some reason, and then they ordered the next night.

I'm sure FTP, know that your claims are baseless and less than 20% will follow through with it.

I take FTPDoug's word over Eric's anyday, and as far as I'm concerned FTP owes this forum nothing.

I've played at FTP since there was an average of 300-400 players on at peak times, now's there 20k+ a loss of a few 2+2'ers means nothing to FTP, It's laughable that you people feel you are owed something.

Eric got caught cheating and he's trying to get Hand histories posted so he and his clan can try to figure out what got them caught.

I certainly hope FTP provides no further details.

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I agree that FTP owes this forum nothing. But I would like to see them put in place some policies that would ensure that one lone disgruntled employee cannot do something drastic to screw a player over; perhaps all fund seizures must be reviewed by a supervisor or higher-up.
Plus they should provide detailed explanations for any such actions taken with empirical evidence, so that the aggrieved party could challenge and appeal. And perhaps for any fund-seizures over $xxx, there is an appeal board within FullTilt itself to which the player could appeal.

All of you who're defending FT blindly will not help to make FT more transparent and fair.

I'm not threatening to pull out cause I know I won't. And I agree that even if all the people who've said they'd pull out do so, it won't make a noticeable difference to them. That's not where our power lies. Our power lies in the fact that we are a small, but vocal educated minority. And if we all together make it clear to FullTilt that we feel that their policies are defective, perhaps some reasonable person in their management might hear and agree.

[PopFreak]

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this just seems crazy to me. Whether or not eric is guilty does that fact not remain that he deserves a fair "trial"?? I feel full-tilt owes its players an explanation of why you cannot have a fair "trial"

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Because he got caught cheating. That's why. When I owned my pizza shops and I caught a guys stealing, which happened alot, I did not give them a fair trial either. thiefs and cheats also lie(i.e eric) So a fair trial or whatever is useless.
FTPDoug has gone to bat for other people on this forum who had problems(Sasha for one) nad he got the problem fixed and their accounts reopend and their money released. For Sasha it was like 25K. So Doug has a past history on this forum of being on the up and up. That's why his word is believed my most on here.

[Gregg777]

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And if we all together make it clear to FullTilt that we feel that their policies are defective, perhaps some reasonable person in their management might hear and agree.

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It's an extremely long post, but Doug did say somewhere that they were going to rework the security department investigation process based on several recent incidents.

[BurnleyMik]

And as already agreed I do not doubt doug has helped the other players like sasha out, but what if he had not stepped in? Would sasha have her 25k? I doubt it. You are again missing the point completely. read phish's last post again. Thats exactly where I want this to go as well. How did you know the guy was stealing? did you just decide it was him and sack him? I will bet you had some evidence, which if had tried to sue you would have presented, where as eric doesnt have the option of sue-ing is basically told he was cheating and that was the end of the discussion.

[JayLeno]

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I'll try to answer any questions this post might trigger, but understand that since this isn't my area of expertise in the slightest, answers may take a while as I track down someone who can explain this stuff to me.
Doug

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Please keep your word Doug - Eric had some questions you havent answered yet.....

[phish]

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And if we all together make it clear to FullTilt that we feel that their policies are defective, perhaps some reasonable person in their management might hear and agree.

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It's an extremely long post, but Doug did say somewhere that they were going to rework the security department investigation process based on several recent incidents.

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And those 'several recent incidents' probably include employees acting dishonestly or maliciously.

And I am not yet convinced, based on everything that's been presented in this forum, that Eric was not one of its victims.

All you guys who defend FullTilt blindly seem to believe that FullTilt is one monolithic organism which functions according to certain rules unerringly like a well-tested computer program. But the reality is that all big organizations are simply the sum of its individual employees. While I trust FullTilt's corporate integrity and the personal integrity of FTPDoug, I do not necessarily trust the integrity and judgment of every single employee who works for FullTilt.

And employees do make mistakes or commit outright fraud. Company funds do get embezzled, or individual customers to get ripped off. Good companies set up procedures/processes in place to ensure that these things rarely happen, and if they do happen, there is an open avenue of recourse (challenge, investigation, and appeal). From everything I've heard, it doesn't sound like FullTilt currently has such procedures. And absent those procedures, I think FullTilt owes Eric further investigation by another investigator (other than the guy who did it originally) or a fuller explanation, with concrete evidence which he can challenge.