Chimpanzee Fight Question From El Diablo

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In short, yes, I think a thousand+ pounds of force would tear my arm right off.


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There are many humans capable of producing greater than 1,000 pounds of force, yet I have never seen a human come close to ripping someone's arm off with the ease that you imply.

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And if you think any man could beat a wild animal like a full grown chimp with his bare hands, then you're [censored] nuts.

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I think there are many wild animals that a human could not kill with his bare hands, but I think some humans would at least have a chance against the chimp.

Also, I'm not saying that an elite MMA fighter would be the favorite against a chimp. All I'm saying is that the chimp would not be a lock (ie >100:1).

I don't think it is that unreasonable to think that an elite human, at least 1% of the time, could capitalize on a mistake by a chimp, who would likely would have no clue what is going on. You could probably motivate the chimp by starving him or convincing him that the human is threatening his young. But the chimp, at least some of the time, would probably be confused for the first few seconds of the fight and leave himself open to getting stunned by the human or giving up a really bad position.

I'd love to see this happen and bet on it with you at whatever ridiculous odds you are willing to offer (from the tone of you posts it sound like you are handicapping this at at least the 10,000-100,000:1 range), but obviously that will never happen.

[/ QUOTE ] do you think the original poster wanted to know how often an MMA fighter could walk up to a chimp and gouge out its eye before the chimp knew what it was doing? or do you think the OP wanted to know how the fighting ability of a professional fighter would stack up to the fighting ability of a chimp?

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Youtube video of a chimp from a group getting a bit annoyed with some guys feeding them.

I certainly wouldn't want to get involved in a scrap with one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5vE3VQdLa4

[Borodog]

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Mr. Sklansky:

Now I see why you need a forum, there are some strange things mulling around inside that head of yours.

Anyway, LOL at the people thinking even the most proficient MMA practitioner stood any chance whatsoever against the chimp. Try to choke a monkey, like another poster mentioned, and if he/she/it doesn’t rip your arm right out of its socket, you’re head will likely be torn off.

Even if you immobilized the chimps arms in your choke it could reach its feet back and rip your head off.

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Lol if you think it is easy to reach back and rip someone's head off when they are doing this to you:



You clearly have no idea how little leverage some has when they are trapped in a rear naked choke. A properly applied choke makes the other person's legs and arms essentially useless. Moreover, the person only has a couple of seconds before losing consciousness.

The chimps arms and legs would be in no position to do anything, no matter how strong it is. Whether or not the chimp would actually end up in that position is a legitimate question, but to say that it could reach back with its LEGS and rip the fighter's head off shows how ignorant you are.

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Lol. Chimps aren't people. His reach is twice what a human's is, not to mention the fact that he can simply roll into a ball and grip the choke arm with all four limbs (you know, the ones that exert a pull of a thousand pounds apiece) and pry you loose.

You're just being ridiculous.

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do you think the original poster wanted to know how often an MMA fighter could walk up to a chimp and gouge out its eye before the chimp knew what it was doing? or do you think the OP wanted to know how the fighting ability of a professional fighter would stack up to the fighting ability of a chimp?

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The latter. But in any fight between a chimp and a human, the chimp will be handicapped by its lack of awareness about what is going on. The fighter will know that its goal is to kill the chimp and will probably be able to make the first move, whereas the chimp will probably be forced to rely on instinct and react to the human attacking it.

The OP was a little vague about how much training the chimp would receive before the fight. If the chimp underwent extensive training that effectively taught the chimp what its objective was, then I think this handicap would be minimized. But my reading of the question was that the chimp would not receive any training and would essentially juts be thrown into an enclosed space with the human.

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Mr. Sklansky:

Now I see why you need a forum, there are some strange things mulling around inside that head of yours.

Anyway, LOL at the people thinking even the most proficient MMA practitioner stood any chance whatsoever against the chimp. Try to choke a monkey, like another poster mentioned, and if he/she/it doesn’t rip your arm right out of its socket, you’re head will likely be torn off.

Even if you immobilized the chimps arms in your choke it could reach its feet back and rip your head off.

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Lol if you think it is easy to reach back and rip someone's head off when they are doing this to you:



You clearly have no idea how little leverage some has when they are trapped in a rear naked choke. A properly applied choke makes the other person's legs and arms essentially useless. Moreover, the person only has a couple of seconds before losing consciousness.

The chimps arms and legs would be in no position to do anything, no matter how strong it is. Whether or not the chimp would actually end up in that position is a legitimate question, but to say that it could reach back with its LEGS and rip the fighter's head off shows how ignorant you are.

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First off Pal, you really should learn to respond to threads without feeling the need to attack people that disagree with you.

Second, keep in mind you're talking about applying a technique that's proven effective on a human and assuming it's going to work on a chimp.

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Youtube video of a chimp from a group getting a bit annoyed with some guys feeding them.

I certainly wouldn't want to get involved in a scrap with one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5vE3VQdLa4

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Actually, they didn't look that dangerous in that vid to me. You certainly don't see any limbs flying, and that guy seems to do a pretty good job tackling one.

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Lol. Chimps aren't people. His reach is twice what a human's is, not to mention the fact that he can simply roll into a ball and grip the choke arm with all four limbs (you know, the ones that exert a pull of a thousand pounds apiece) and pry you loose.

You're just being ridiculous.

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You are wrong. You don't understand the mechanics of the choke. I can't explain it well, but I'll try. The choker's legs are wrapped and locked tightly around the opponent's midsection, therefore the opponent cannot use his legs, cannot bend or twist his body (e.g. roll into a ball). This also allows the choker to stretch his entire body out, putting the force of his whole body into the choke. You put one hand on your other bicep, and the other hand grasped behind your own head.

The monkey has a matter of seconds before he passed out. The ONLY way he can get out is to know how your arms/hands are configured and where to pull on them. BTW, the 1000 lbs of pull or whatever is using their whole body and legs. In this case he only has the strength purely in his arm, and at an odd reaching-behind angle. The chip doesn't have the poise, intelligence, or knowledge of the choke to counter. He will flail and thrash wildly, then pass out.

For those of you comparing it to fighting a little kid, I have an interesting story. The only time I've passed out due to a rear naked choke was when I taught a friend's 10 year old brother how to do it. He thought it was funny to keep choking when I tapped out, and I woke up seconds later on top of him completely limp, him laughing his ass off (thinking I was playing), and me having no idea what had just happened or where I was.

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Lol. Chimps aren't people. His reach is twice what a human's is, not to mention the fact that he can simply roll into a ball and grip the choke arm with all four limbs (you know, the ones that exert a pull of a thousand pounds apiece) and pry you loose.

You're just being ridiculous.

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I'm disappointed that someone with a physics background like you could be making such fundamental misjudgements about the chimpanzee's strength while someone is choking it from behind. I should not need to tell you this, but the mechanical advantage of a chimpanzee trying to pull on something that is mounted on its back is miniscule compared to what it is capable of while standing on its feet and unencumbered. There is absolutely no way that the chimp would be able to produce 1000 lbs of force on any part of the humans body when it is in the rear naked choke position.

But since you are smart, I will assume that your misjudgments are based on your lack of knowledge about the positioning involved. If the chimp was being choked properly, it would never be able to roll into a ball and use its feet because the fighter would have completely immobilized the chimps legs.

Look at this picture (crappy quality but the best I could find for now):


Notice how the fighter applying the choke has his legs wrapped around the inside of the other fighter's thighs, effectively immobilizing them. The fighter being choked cannot simply curl hi slegs forward becuase it is his hip flexors versus the other guys hamstrings, glutes, and lower back, which is a battle that he cannot win. With respect to the upper body, the fighter applying the choke also has a huge mechanical adavtage becuase the arm applying the choke is firmly tucked underneath the other fighter's chin, and he is grabbing his own arm behind the choked fighter's head. Once the choke is sunk, the choked fighter even if he is very strong, has little chance of pulling the arm away because there is virtually nothing to grab and he has no leverage because he needs to pull at something that is behind his head. If you think a chimpanzee could rip off someone's head from this postion, you are being absoulely ridiculous.

Or, if the person or animal being choked were face down like this:


he or it would be screwed no matter how strong he or it were.

Also, you are wrong about the chimps arms being twice the lenght of a humans. Chimps arms are much longer relative to their body size, but since chmips are on average only 3-4 feet tall, their arms are at most only slightly longer than a 6' human's arms.

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Second, keep in mind you're talking about applying a technique that's proven effective on a human and assuming it's going to work on a chimp.

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What about a chimp's anatomy would make that technique ineffecive? They need blood flowing to their brains in order to be conscious juts like humans do.

[Borodog]

Gay porn will not change the fact that an average chimp could kill any man on the planet.