3 of kind bet on river now facing reraise

Silverback · #1 11-29-2006, 08:23 PM

Both villians loose, not overally aggressive generally.
Pre flop CO was 64/15, button, 44/6 although the button would raise more post flop than preflop, all info over space of 100 hands so small sample.

Should I have folded on flop? What about river?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop:
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, CO raises, Button 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Button bets, BB calls, CO calls.

River: (10 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Button bets, BB calls, CO raises, Button 3-bets, BB ??????????????

Jiggymike · #2 11-29-2006, 08:25 PM

You forgot your hand =)

Silverback · #3 11-30-2006, 07:05 AM

Opps it was late. Heres the hand:

Both villians loose, not overally aggressive generally.
Pre flop CO was 64/15, button, 44/6 although the button would raise more post flop than preflop, all info over space of 100 hands so small sample.

Should I have folded on flop? What about river?
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, CO raises, Button 3-bets, SB folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (10 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, CO raises, Button 3-bets, Hero ???????.

Final Pot: 17 BB

topAir · #4 11-30-2006, 09:00 AM

How many outs do we have on the flop? I'm reading Holdem on the Come trying to get better at board reading/out counting. We have a one card to the bad end of a straight. I wouldn't really like seeing a K or a 9 to hit. If we get an 8 or J, we could split the pot with an 8, and at best have a lot of redraws agains us. Also, we are not closing the action and could face another raise. I would have a hard time valueing our hand any better than around 4 outs. I think we have to fold the flop because of all this. Would button ever not raise AK preflop? He has been as agressive as possible at every point. He could easily have 98 or K9 as both look to be in his preflop range. He sees the two J on the board and does not seem to care. I think we have to fold the river facing two back.

Am I close? First time poster but certainly no reason to go easy on me.

sharpie · #5 11-30-2006, 09:25 AM

I'm folding the flop getting 5.5 to 1 currently. Your straight outs need to be discounted abit especially the king. I would lead the river, but as played I think it's a safe fold since best you can hope for is CO has Jx where x is lower than 10 and BTN has QT or something, and even then you're only getting half the pot.