Berated for the way I played these 2 hands

theflyingcow · #1 11-29-2006, 09:13 PM

Hand #1: Last hand of first orbit. No reads.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB raises, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG folds, MP calls, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, MP calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP folds.

River: (13 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB
Main Pot: 15 BB, between Hero and BB.

Hand #2:
BB is 71/8/1.91 over 52
(edit) MP is 72/3.5/0.3 over 125

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, MP calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (12 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, MP calls.

Final Pot: 18 BB
Main Pot: 18 BB, between Hero, BB and MP.

Jiggymike · #2 11-29-2006, 09:18 PM

You played the first hand fine. The second hand you probably had no reason to call on the flop with a player calling ahead of you and to act behind you. Once you made this mistake, you played the hand fine.

BananaDan · #3 11-29-2006, 09:55 PM

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You played the first hand fine. The second hand you probably had no reason to call on the flop with a player calling ahead of you and to act behind you. Once you made this mistake, you played the hand fine.

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poisonxfree · #4 11-29-2006, 10:12 PM

First hand is standard, second hand fold flop.

wackjob · #5 11-29-2006, 10:32 PM

in hand1 I'd rather c/r the flop than donk. hand2 you showed how bigofafishyouare.

Jiggymike · #6 11-29-2006, 11:36 PM

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in hand1 I'd rather c/r the flop than donk. hand2 you showed how bigofafishyouare.

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Why c/r the flop? If BB bets out and everyone calls you are 'trapping' the field with 2nd pair, no kicker. Doesn't make sense. Let BB knock out other players with whatever he's got, be it a higher pair or UI overs.

gehrig · #7 11-29-2006, 11:50 PM

c/c flop in the first hand ur hand sucks

fold flop in the 2nd one ur hand sucks

Unguarded · #8 11-30-2006, 12:16 AM

Hand #1: c/c... use your relative position on the pre-flop raiser to your advantage. You don't want to pay more than a single small bet.

Hand #2: Possibly the worst flop call I have ever seen someone post...

wackjob · #9 11-30-2006, 12:21 AM

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Hand #2: Possibly the worst flop call I have ever seen someone post...

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you need to hit BBV more!

theflyingcow · #10 11-30-2006, 12:27 AM

So I agree that the flop call on the second hand is pretty bad, but I don't think it's as terrible as others might. Given that I'm getting 1:14 to call, along with a backdoor flush + backdoor straight + BB may not even have an ace (I've seen him donk on A-high boards every street OOP with PP's as low as 55), my K-Q outs might still be good, and given how loose MP is, I'm probably still ahead of his range, though I still don't know what SB has yet to do. It may not be pot odds, and implied odds probably suck, but I think it's closer than it looks. Thoughts?