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Old 11-23-2006, 09:50 AM
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Default JJ after a raise & re-raise w/ 12M

Stars $22 rebuy. MP3 has been relatively tight/passive, but will make position raises. CO seems to be a decent player and has been aggressive. About an hour ago, he defended his big blind by pushing over a small blind raiser with J2os. He also made sure the table knew not to mess with his blind. However, in the last hour or so, he hasn't made any big moves and aside from that one hand, has not re-raised anyone.

About 250 left and top 45 pay, so there are no bubble factors involved.

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No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t300/t600
(Ante: t50)
9 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: t11355
UTG+1: t5550
MP1: t8985
MP2: t7970
MP3: t22570
CO: t33720
Button: t39655
Hero: t17120
BB: t15600

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 raises to t1800</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to t5400</font>, Button folds,

Hero?
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Old 11-23-2006, 10:07 AM
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Default Re: JJ after a raise & re-raise w/ 12M

smaller stack this is easy push, here i muck bc i think you are in flip at best. another option is call and push if flop comes lo. i wouldnt push here bc initial raiser could also have monster
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Old 11-23-2006, 10:09 AM
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Default Re: JJ after a raise & re-raise w/ 12M

I probably push to isolate CO as we are basically flipping against his range getting &gt;2-1.
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Old 11-23-2006, 10:10 AM
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Default Re: JJ after a raise & re-raise w/ 12M

I dump this and find a better spot. If you were shorter it would be an easy push. I'm not so sure that stop-n-go is great here.
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Old 11-23-2006, 10:34 AM
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Default Re: JJ after a raise & re-raise w/ 12M

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I probably push to isolate CO as we are basically flipping against his range getting &gt;2-1.

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I don't see how you are getting &gt;2-1. My calculations show you are getting 1.19-1 against CO if raiser folds.

This is kind of close push/fold, since you have FE. Sometimes you pick up the pot uncontested.
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Old 11-23-2006, 10:47 AM
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Default Re: JJ after a raise & re-raise w/ 12M

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I probably push to isolate CO as we are basically flipping against his range getting &gt;2-1.

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I don't see how you are getting &gt;2-1. My calculations show you are getting 1.19-1 against CO if raiser folds.

This is kind of close push/fold, since you have FE. Sometimes you pick up the pot uncontested.

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There's 8550 before Hero acts: 450(Antes)+900(Blinds)+1800+5400

We call the 5100 + 8550= 13650
And shove 11670. If Villain calls (and MP folds) that's 11670 to win 25320 = 2.16

Is this right? I was counting on some FE as well.
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Old 11-23-2006, 11:02 AM
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Default Re: JJ after a raise & re-raise w/ 12M

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I probably push to isolate CO as we are basically flipping against his range getting &gt;2-1.

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I don't see how you are getting &gt;2-1. My calculations show you are getting 1.19-1 against CO if raiser folds.

This is kind of close push/fold, since you have FE. Sometimes you pick up the pot uncontested.

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There's 8550 before Hero acts: 450(Antes)+900(Blinds)+1800+5400

We call the 5100 + 8550= 13650
And shove 11670. If Villain calls (and MP folds) that's 11670 to win 25320 = 2.16

Is this right? I was counting on some FE as well.

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Wrong, you have 300 in the pot, so pushing costs you 16820. If CO calls and MP3 folds, you stand to win 17120 from CO plus 1800 from MP3 and 1400 blinds and antes, for a total of 20320 or 1.19-1. So you are getting 1.19-1.

It cost CO 17120-5400 = 11720 more to call you push to win your 16820 plus 5400 he has in there, 1800 from MP3 and 1400 blinds and antes for a total of 25420. CO is getting 2.17-1 to call your push, so he is probably not folding.
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Old 11-23-2006, 11:09 AM
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OOps. Thanks for clearing that up. Big difference!
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Old 11-23-2006, 11:15 AM
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Default Re: JJ after a raise & re-raise w/ 12M

What range are we putting CO on? How about MP3?
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Old 11-23-2006, 11:16 AM
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Default Re: JJ after a raise & re-raise w/ 12M

Out of position I fold, along with QQ, if I know either of the players to be tight.
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