hand showing question

[RR]

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Commerce is a big mess when it comes to the IWTSTH rule, as ANYONE, involved in the hand or not, can request to see all cards still in at showdown (and many request it on EVERY hand).

Also, in many houses (especially in Vegas), the hand being turned up by the dealer, upon request is not live (Ballys is one place where I have seen this first hand, and it turned out that the dead hand would have been a winner had the player not mucked it).

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A couple of notes on this. Anyone that was dealt in is "involved" in the hand. The most common rule is if an apparent winner asks to see the hand it is live, but if somebody else asks to see it it is dead.

Allowing any player dealt in is much better than only allowing peopel that called on the end to ask to see it. If you only allow people that called on the end to ask to see it you are rendering the original intent completely useless and furthering the belief that it is acceptable to ask to see it soley to gain info.

[AngusThermopyle]

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Also, in many houses (especially in Vegas), the hand being turned up by the dealer, upon request is not live (Ballys is one place where I have seen this first hand, and it turned out that the dead hand would have been a winner had the player not mucked it).

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The player who "won" was the one who asked to see the hand? And it was not live?

[LasVegasMichael]

That is almost correct. Another player at the table (not involved at showdown), asked to see the hand that was mucked. The dealer took the facedown cards, tapped them on the muck, and turned them faceup (the tapping on the muck was to show that it was a dead hand).

[AngusThermopyle]

Then that is standard procedure everywhere. I have never played in a casino where that hand would be live.

But if the "winner" asks to see the hand, it is live (even 'tapping on the muck' does not kill it).