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Old 11-17-2006, 04:24 PM
Joe7280 Joe7280 is offline
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Default K/J suited in tough spot

I don't have the hand stats, but here is the general scenario. I am in MP+1 of a ps $3 rebuy. Blinds a 300/600 w/ 50 ante.

I have been playing relatively conservatively and have only played two hands at this new table out of 12 seen, one that was limped to me from the BB where I won the pot with 8/9 os hitting top pair, the other where I folded to a raise post flop in a 5 way pot.

My villian in this hand has raised 4 of the last 9 hands and folded 3 of them that were called either to a post flop or turn raise. The other hand he won with pocket kings. Raises seem pretty standard 3x or 4x BB each time he entered.

Villain has about 10k in chips, I have 17k.

3 folds, I raise out of MP+1 to 2400 with K/Js, Villian is SB and raises All in for his remaiing 7+k, all others folded. Based upon the previous info, should this be an easy call? Villian seems reckless, and the range I can put his all in raise on, based upon my own table image and his previous actions, is 44+, A/rag suited, etc.

Any help is appreciated.
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Old 11-17-2006, 04:30 PM
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Default Re: K/J suited in tough spot

If villain is really reckless and crazy then you have to call here for pot odds but you should not be raising a maniacs big blind from MP1 with KJ suited to begin with.....
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Old 11-17-2006, 04:37 PM
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Default Re: K/J suited in tough spot

Why not?


Call OP you've got oddds against his rather wide range.
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Old 11-17-2006, 04:49 PM
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Default Re: K/J suited in tough spot

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Why not?


Call OP you've got oddds against his rather wide range.

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Because even though you have odds against it you aren't favored against it unless he is push any two every two crazy - it also sucks to get reraised by one of the 5 non-maniacs left to act before you even get to the BB. The call is +EV but the initial raise is -EV I think
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Old 11-17-2006, 04:59 PM
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Default Re: K/J suited in tough spot

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The call is +EV but the initial raise is -EV I think


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Yeah, this is the point, just fold PF, but now you have to call.
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Old 11-17-2006, 05:04 PM
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Default Re: K/J suited in tough spot

Thanks for the responses, I was practically card dead for the last hour of play and watched my stack decrease from 24k to 17k and figured I'd try and make something happen with a somewhat decent hand, and expected a call or maybe a pot size raise to call so I could raise the villian all in with any flop. I ended up folding this hand and waited for a better spot, and had the pleasure of watching this villian go out 4 hands later when he went all in with pocket 6's against pocket 10's [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 11-17-2006, 05:12 PM
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Default Re: K/J suited in tough spot

i would instafold this.....KJ sucks and i am suprised you are advised to call by so many people
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Old 11-17-2006, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: K/J suited in tough spot

Loose raising != loose re-raising...

That said you probably have a call here, but you should throw up all over your keyboard first...
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Old 11-17-2006, 05:24 PM
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If villain is really reckless and crazy then you have to call here for pot odds but you should not be raising a maniacs big blind from MP1 with KJ suited to begin with.....

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Old 11-17-2006, 05:27 PM
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i would instafold this.....KJ sucks and i am suprised you are advised to call by so many people

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Show me a range where we aren't getting odds to call against a maniac.
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