KK 4-way, Ace flops

[whyc]

UTG: 23, 1.4, 2.7
MP: 91, 32, 0.9 – plays any two cards
SB: his 2nd hand at the table

PokerRoom 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (9 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

River: (16.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

What did I do wrong, if anything?

[Atlanta Andrew]

Just call the flop, and get ready to ditch it on the turn when you do not improve. I do not see what raising can accomplish here.

You must bet the river! You get paid off by so many worse hands. Sure, someone will turn up with the flush now and then, but that does not make up for the value lost by checking this river.

-Andrew

[danzasmack]

NP andrew

[wackjob]

I agree with Andrew 100%

[DING-DONG YO]

Andrew is correct.

And at this limit, I don't think folding the flop 4-way is a huge mistake either.

[Jiggymike]

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Andrew is correct.

And at this limit, I don't think folding the flop 4-way is a huge mistake either.

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With the Kh I think you should call on the flop in position.

[MattiasL]

I am not sure about peeling the flop here. We dont have enough outs unless he checks a turn brick a significant part of the time (which I dont see happening on this board). We only have positive implied odds on the two case kings (a heart will normally just cost us extra).

Unless you factor in some metagame value from making him double barrel when bluffing. In a 4 way game that may be reasonable.

If you think he is FOS alot here, a raise could be good (depending on what he will do with non-ace hands), but the default play should be a fold.

As you say, the river is a bet.

[Hi5]

I would just call the flop as well.

As for the river, I would check behind, but clearly this is the wrong play, from what the others are saying. Obviously, this means I am not maximising my profits, as I am handling scare cards on the river quite poorly.

I would be interested in more detail explaining why a bet is good here. I can understand that two pair is not folding here and that possibly Ax at these limits is not folding either. Are we essentially assuming/hoping that a flush would have bet out the river instead of checking here?

[Kwaz]

I kick the cat and fold the flop.

[TomBrooks]

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Andrew is correct. And at this limit, I don't think folding the flop 4-way is a huge mistake either.

[/ QUOTE ] With the Kh I think you [c]ould call on the flop.

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