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#11
11-14-2006, 02:02 PM
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Re: 25-50-100 4 handed live fwoods hand
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[ QUOTE ] hi white, tough spot. Is villain good enough to valuebet a set on river? Do you have any previous time reads on villain? Villain is obviously thinking what to bet on river, its close to a PSB, reads on betsize? If he doesnt valubet a set here I think i would call this. [/ QUOTE ] Good enough to bet a set? I think he could be betting Aces up for value, and in fact that's what I think he has, in this particular case. When whitelime checks the river, most will assume (and almost always be right) that he doesn't have a straight. Whether a check-raise is a good idea depends upon where Villain's betting range is weighted (since it obviously contains some straights), and I don't have the answer to that, though my gut tells me you shouldn't raise here. [/ QUOTE ] Cero, For villain to valuebet river he has to picture a hand that hero will call with... and i cant see many... also remeber that villain is tight. if he is good enough to bet a set on river he most likely is aware of his tight table image, meaning that he wouldnt expect hero to call with a marginal hand. So villain betting aces up for value is out of the question i think.. 
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#12
11-14-2006, 02:27 PM
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Re: 25-50-100 4 handed live fwoods hand
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hi white, tough spot. Is villain good enough to valuebet a set on river? Do you have any previous time reads on villain? Villain is obviously thinking what to bet on river, its close to a PSB, reads on betsize? If he doesnt valubet a set here I think i would call this. [/ QUOTE ] ??? I can't imagine anybody but the biggest nits not betting this river with a set. Whitelime, I don't really see what you beat, fold.
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#13
11-14-2006, 02:47 PM
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Re: 25-50-100 4 handed live fwoods hand
Once you check to him, he is betting a set/aces up/st8 that was made after an attempted steal/air. Air is unlikely here because it was a 4 way limped pot so someone who is playing pretty tight probably isn't going to go out of his way to get fancy. You beat nothing but a bluff and since a bluff is unlikly based on the above statement, muck that.
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#14
11-14-2006, 04:17 PM
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Results
I was conflicted here. I really thought he had a flush draw on the turn because I was playing so aggro and because I don't think he can really ever have a hand on the turn b/c he limped preflop and chked behind on the flop.
On the river though, he waited a while before betting out and I think thats usually a tell for a big hand. I went w/ my initial read which was correct but he rivered me w/ 33.
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#15
11-14-2006, 04:25 PM
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Re: Results
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I was conflicted here. I really thought he had a flush draw on the turn because I was playing so aggro and because I don't think he can really ever have a hand on the turn b/c he limped preflop and chked behind on the flop. On the river though, he waited a while before betting out and I think thats usually a tell for a big hand. I went w/ my initial read which was correct but he rivered me w/ 33. [/ QUOTE ] can you tell me why you didn't fire a river bet and fold to a raise?
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#16
11-14-2006, 05:35 PM
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Re: Results
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[ QUOTE ] I was conflicted here. I really thought he had a flush draw on the turn because I was playing so aggro and because I don't think he can really ever have a hand on the turn b/c he limped preflop and chked behind on the flop. On the river though, he waited a while before betting out and I think thats usually a tell for a big hand. I went w/ my initial read which was correct but he rivered me w/ 33. [/ QUOTE ] can you tell me why you didn't fire a river bet and fold to a raise? [/ QUOTE ] B/c he's either bluffing or has me beat.
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#17
11-14-2006, 07:27 PM
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Re: Results
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I was conflicted here. I really thought he had a flush draw on the turn because I was playing so aggro and because I don't think he can really ever have a hand on the turn b/c he limped preflop and chked behind on the flop. On the river though, he waited a while before betting out and I think thats usually a tell for a big hand. I went w/ my initial read which was correct but he rivered me w/ 33. [/ QUOTE ] can you tell me why you didn't fire a river bet and fold to a raise? [/ QUOTE ] B/c he's either bluffing or has me beat. [/ QUOTE ] isn't that the purpose of the blocking bet? or is that too obvious?
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#18
11-14-2006, 07:35 PM
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Re: Results
obviously wrong...
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#19
11-14-2006, 08:12 PM
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Re: Results
i think this is played fine, i prob wouldn't fold the riv either.
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#20
11-14-2006, 08:13 PM
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Re: Results
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I was conflicted here. I really thought he had a flush draw on the turn because I was playing so aggro and because I don't think he can really ever have a hand on the turn b/c he limped preflop and chked behind on the flop. On the river though, he waited a while before betting out and I think thats usually a tell for a big hand. I went w/ my initial read which was correct but he rivered me w/ 33. [/ QUOTE ] can you tell me why you didn't fire a river bet and fold to a raise? [/ QUOTE ] B/c he's either bluffing or has me beat. [/ QUOTE ] isn't that the purpose of the blocking bet? or is that too obvious? [/ QUOTE ] no, its because he puts vilan on a missed draw so if he bets villan cant call, but if we check we can let him bluff and save money when we are behind.
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