Why do I suck at online Hold Em? - Page 4

Powder · #31 11-10-2006, 08:10 PM

I try to play the same thing online. Although sometimes I may move down just a little bit, maybe to $0.50-1NL.

driller · #32 11-10-2006, 08:47 PM

Here is my shot. You really can't make a living at any limit up to 15-30 live. However, you can do very well at lower limits on line. So, while you will hardly ever encounter a pro playing up to 10-20 live, they are all over on line at the lower limits.

StrikeR300 · #33 11-10-2006, 09:10 PM

MHO is the skillset of the avg. 1-2 NL player online is much higher than the skillset of the avg. 1-2 player in a live game, probally around 10x (I believe it gets lower after 1-2, probally like 3x for 10-20 & less the more it goes up in limits). It makes sense if you think about it, hell with rakeback a talented 1-2 player online could make a 6 figure a year salary+ clicking their mouse 40hrs or so a week (maybe less). I do not believe this is so in live poker, 1 tabling/30-40 hands an hour does not even come close to 8+ tabling/500+ hands an hour in terms of EV.

In conclusion: Move down, improve, post confusing hands in the appropiate forum, review play with pokertracker, become a provin winner at your current level (100k hands?), practice quality bankroll management, run good, move up, move up, move up, dominate HSNL, play all the balla's HU and take their rolls, buy things you don't need for ungodly amounts of money [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Hope I helped

Biggle10 · #34 11-13-2006, 12:29 AM

I think the base issue is that the recreational/bad player typically plays the lowest limits available. At a casino this is 1-2NL. Online it is 1c-2c NL.

For limit, I am a break-even player at 3/6 online. I've played 10/20 live and been the best player at the table. You'll find many other posts saying the same thing.

Powder · #35 11-13-2006, 03:26 AM

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I think the base issue is that the recreational/bad player typically plays the lowest limits available. At a casino this is 1-2NL. Online it is 1c-2c NL.

For limit, I am a break-even player at 3/6 online. I've played 10/20 live and been the best player at the table. You'll find many other posts saying the same thing.

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This is actually one thing that I had in my head.

Brit_Abroad · #36 11-14-2006, 09:50 AM

I personally seem to do better in the 500 euro buy in NL games at my local casino (the smallest game available - where oer a small sample I am a winning player), that my 1-2 online NL games where I am a losing player. It's strange, as my live play seems to be bankrolling my online play!

I seem to bring my A game to the table live most of the time, and i find it very interesting watching the people around me and observing. I get in a zone. I put all the theory I have been reading into practice, I can play very tight OOP and remain patient. I have not been playing poker very long, but when I am playing like this, I know that I have the potential to become a really good player. I am not there yet, but am able to identify and avoid tangling with the better players out of position and extract money from the fish, and use my tight image selectively to steal pots.

Playing online, I just get bored and distracted. I have these enormous tilt sessions where I start out playing tight, but get bored or take a bad beat and then I blow most of my roll overplaying big PP's and making silly bluffs, not really focussed, reading emails, surfing the web etc. It's horrible and almost compulsive, and the shame is when I am focussed I feel I can beat the game online, and that I am learning all the time.

Aside from distractions, a big factor I think has also been moving up beyond my roll to clear bonuses. I am net down bonus chasing through this, and have now vowed not to chase another bonus beyond my means.

At the moment I am considering setting up a separate PC, without a internet browser, email etc to play poker on so that I have no distractions.

It's very frustrating at the moment, as after 18 months of spending most of my spare time playing, reading, thinking, and a large investment in time and money (blown bankrolls, books etc) I feel that it is only me that is stopping me becoming a winning player online.

Can anyone relate to this experience?

ruan99 · #37 11-14-2006, 11:37 AM

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Here is my shot. You really can't make a living at any limit up to 15-30 live. However, you can do very well at lower limits on line. So, while you will hardly ever encounter a pro playing up to 10-20 live, they are all over on line at the lower limits.

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You can make a living playinng 15/30 live and lower. Even with a high rake. I don't know what kind of living you guys are used to but a 15/30 pro. can make more than in most mid. level jobs. Is 60K/yr. not good anymore? Sure we would all love to make 150K but that doesn't mean it's not impossible to support yourself this way. I'd much rather play 15/30 than sell couches. Heck, I've seen young pro's earn a living playing live 3/6 while they built up.

RoyalMag · #38 11-14-2006, 12:34 PM

When I first started playing online I would have a few days where I would win follwed by more where I lost.

When I was winning it was because I was a naturally awesome player and had learned everything there was to learn about poker in a week [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

When I lost it was because the sites were rigged [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

LOL Looking back I realise that I didn't have a clue what I was doing at first and it really was luck that I had any winning days at all!

Statistically it does take many thousands of hands before you get a realistic impression of how good someone is, but as has been said a faster way of figuring out how good you are is to review the hands that you have played and pick out where you went right or wrong.
Obviously if you really dont know what you are doing then you wont be able to recognise what you are doing wrong so post your hands in the strat forums here and let others pick your game apart.

Matt Williams · #39 11-14-2006, 04:12 PM

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Here is my shot. You really can't make a living at any limit up to 15-30 live. However, you can do very well at lower limits on line. So, while you will hardly ever encounter a pro playing up to 10-20 live, they are all over on line at the lower limits.

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If you play 4/8 live and win 2 BB/hr, that's $16/hr. That's 3x minimum wage. That's more money per hr than PLENTY of people make working 40 hrs. a week.

Abbaddabba · #40 11-15-2006, 12:28 AM

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If you play 4/8 live and win 2 BB/hr, that's $16/hr. That's 3x minimum wage. That's more money per hr than PLENTY of people make working 40 hrs. a week.

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At "good" tables you'll be seeing 25 hands an hour. If you can beat a game for 8BB/100 after accounting for an enormous rake and have played enough hands at those stakes to verify it, something is wrong.