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Old 11-10-2006, 04:35 PM
Leo317 Leo317 is offline
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Default I need preflop help

In holdem Mason says that you should fold 85% preflop, than how often should you fold preflop in o/8 & omaha? I feel that I am playing way too loose preflop & seeing the flop too often(around 32%). I am playing mostly .5/1.00 and I am winning a little but I think i can do a lot better. what I usually look for preflop is a2 plus a little more: a suited ace, 2 or more wheel cards, etc. Is there a list like this http://www.gocee.com/poker/HE_Val_Sort.htm
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Old 11-10-2006, 04:44 PM
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Default Re: I need preflop help

32% is average for an experienced player. Starting out, I'd recommend 20-25ish.
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Old 11-10-2006, 04:46 PM
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Default Re: I need preflop help

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Old 11-10-2006, 06:43 PM
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Default Re: I need preflop help

a good player w/ good post flop skills can have a VPIP as high as 28%

lots of players have VPIP's around 24%

bad players have VPIP's >35%
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Old 11-11-2006, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: I need preflop help

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what I usually look for preflop is a2 plus a little more: a suited ace, 2 or more wheel cards, etc.

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How many hands have you logged? Those guidelines sound about right...
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Old 11-15-2006, 07:49 AM
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Default Re: I need preflop help

It really depends on how many people are at the table.
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Old 11-15-2006, 03:39 PM
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Default Re: I need preflop help

Get pokertracker, log a ton of hands(50K+), see which hands in which spots are losing for you, and stop playing those hands.
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Old 11-15-2006, 03:51 PM
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Default Re: I need preflop help

Keep in mind, too, that position is not as important in a loose-passive small stakes game. Just being tighter than your opponents preflop is a huge step to becoming successful.
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Old 11-15-2006, 04:00 PM
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Default Re: I need preflop help

Besides depending on the number of players it also depends somewhat on whether you are playing limit, pot limit, or no limit. In limit I would argue that you need to play tighter and can't afford to play speculative hands like KK23 (at least in a full ring game). The potential payoff is limited, and the reduced information about your holdings that your wider range implies doesn't really get you much.
In PL/NL I'd say that only playing A2xx makes you a little too predictable. Besides AAxx hands of course you can probably also add hands like A3[45]x (if the ace is suited), A3KK, and if there are a bunch of limpers you can even limp along with high-only hands. I play some crap like 2367 suited too but I've become more skeptical about the value; the more people you're up against, the fewer aces there are left in the deck to make your low; having a dynamic where your chance to make a low decreases as the pot size increases seems unprofitable.
I should probably get pokertracker. I play loose, but have been toying with the idea of playing only AAxx, A23x, and A2xx where the ace is suited; would be interesting to compare this with my usual results...
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Old 11-16-2006, 09:04 AM
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Default Re: I need preflop help

Wow, just looked at my pokertracker and I'm at 19.88 VPIP. I couldn't imagine being at 32!
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