B&M truths #5 and #6 (long)

[bernie]

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Say a rock wins 3 hands in 3 hours in a 3/6 limit game.
he pays 5 dollars in drop 1 in jackpot and 1 in tip for a total of 7 dollars. The rock has paid 21 dollars in 3 hours.


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Even rocks average more than 1 pot an hour. They only pay 'slightly' less than others. Not significantly.

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a 10-20 20-40 pro has to fight, punch, claw and scrap against other GOOD players to earn his pots. Many of these pots are 2 3 handed lots of bluffing and deviousness is used. Earning bets is hard at times.


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You're overestimating the toughness of these games.

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[bernie]

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I often win LESS than one pot an hour. Why would I rather pay $10 for time than the $4 for the rake?



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In a 3/6 limit game?

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"Typical" table deals 45 hands per hour? Not even close.

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How many do you see? 45 might be pushing it. 40 should be the norm with shuffle machines. Local dealers were required to deal 18 hands per down (half hour) before the machines or they were given bad reviews by management.

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For 3-6, I'd say around 35. The game plays slower and more hands go to showdown. 40-45 is really a pretty good clip.

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[e_phemeral]

Maybe I am unsophisticated, but why does anyone worry/think about rake/time charges? I play either $1-2NL or $2-5NL with $5/half hour and $6/half hour time charge and I can honestly say that I have never once been concerned with or even thought twice about the time charge. If you can't overcome a $10 or $12 drain on your stack each hour, then you must be pretty bad at poker.

I can understand how paying $10 an hour could seriously cut into your win rate at, say, a $2-4 limit game. But for a no limit game, I just don't see it as a factor. If you are a nit who folds for 2 hours until you finally are dealt your big pocket pair, raise, and get no action, then I could see how time chage could be a problem for you. But don't good players intuitively adjust to the rules of the game (whether it is rake or time charge)? E.g., in a time charge game, play a few more pots than you might normally play, and in a raked game, play a bit more TAG?

[govman6767]

Choose the Situation

California is for Communists pretend they do not exist

A. You are a very tight player and after careful game selection you find a seat next to a player who always chops.
You have a horrible first hour being card dead you don't play a single hand.

Cost of 35 hands played (assuming you got lucky enough to always chop) snicker [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Time charge 0
Blinds lost 0
Pots won 0 = 0 rake paid

B. Time Charge Game at 10$ an hour.
Same deal you got a player who chops.

Time Charge $10 dollars
Blinds Lost 0
Pots won 0
total cost $10 dollars

I wanna play in the game where It costs me the absolute minimum to fold everything but The top 5 hands

[Rick Nebiolo]

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I wanna play in the game where It costs me the absolute minimum to fold everything but The top 5 hands

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Getting off the time/rake issue for a moment -

If you playing like this (or sort of like this e.g., certainly you can at least add baby pairs against a small raise in position if you are deep enough) you will book a decent profit in a small NL game as long as the games are "donked up" with people who think they know how to play because they watch TV. But tiny NL games that are "donked up" to this degree are a temporary phenomenon; in time the games should get much worse and you will actually have to play poker and play in games with far bigger blinds if you want to have any chance at making decent money.

~ Rick

[govman6767]

You are correct.
I might be able to make more money by adding smaller pairs but from a mental stand point every overcard that comes out is scarrry. And once i'm in a pot I tend to chase the set on the turn and river assuming I've had my daily intake of beer [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Moving up is an option I will make in the future but for now I'm happy grinding out a buffet and making enough money I can donk some away at the craps table.

At the low limits I'm free to do what I want since the money is so small it's not a factor. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Plus I would rather play against donks than people who know what they are doing [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[coolhandluke]

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re truth 1:

would you like a 35% pay cut off of your job?



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we all do, it's called taxes.