Malmuth's article: On Tilt

[bernie]

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There is tilting because (1) you're pissed off that you got unlucky... You are referring to (1). That is difficult to suppress, and no amount of poker knowledge will help you with that

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I don't agree. I think the more knowledge one gets in actually believing where the money comes from in this game does help with this. In fact, you can end up welcoming getting unlucky once one realizes and fully buys in to this concept. Many don't even though they should know better.

It takes a bit of knowledge to learn how the 'longrun' works.

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only exercising discipline and keeping your emotions "in check"

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Is still a factor in getting over it. Just not the only factors.

b

[adios]

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There is tilting because (1) you're pissed off that you got unlucky... You are referring to (1). That is difficult to suppress, and no amount of poker knowledge will help you with that

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I don't agree. I think the more knowledge one gets in actually believing where the money comes from in this game does help with this. In fact, you can end up welcoming getting unlucky once one realizes and fully buys in to this concept. Many don't even though they should know better.

It takes a bit of knowledge to learn how the 'longrun' works.

However:

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only exercising discipline and keeping your emotions "in check"

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Is still a factor in getting over it. Just not the only factors.

b

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Another of your IMO very many high quality posts. I'd add that understanding the "long run" and excercising discipline do go hand in hand.

[Nietzsche]

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Don't be so quick to defend Malmuth. Tilt is an emotional state which is not rational. You canot deal with the irrational by improving your technique. captZEEbo is right.......awareness and the discipline to quit for now....... is the way to deal with tilt.
It is fascinating how Malmuth is worshipped by most 2+2ers to the point they cannot even think independently.

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If you feel your decisions may not be completely sound you tilt more. That is a fact and I don't see how you can argue against it. And that is why working on your game is good advice. It will not eliminate all kinds of tilt but it is the best place to start.

If you know for a fact your game is world class and you still tilt, the guy to pay is rory, not 2+2 ;-)

[rory]

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[MugenDC5]

Exactly, first you need to know yourself, your own physiological manifestations of the tilt and why you go on tilt. Sometimes I go on tilt when I just won a big hand and got myself a huge stack (in SNG), or sometimes after someone sucked out on me and leaves me with 80 chips. When that happens. I feel this surge through my body that almost makes my hand shake. This happened to me today. So I closed my eyes, do a 1 minute deep breathing exercise and clear my mind. Do it like a religious meditation, like Zen, and really think about nothing and focus on your breathing and count in your mind.

You would look retarded if you did that at a Casino but at home in front of the computer, sometimes it's all I need to stop me from giving my new found bigstack away.

Try it out, it works for me. Tilt is a subtle, emotional thing, it's also a raging urge that we have problems controlling, so we deal with it emotionally. I personally don't think you need to step away from the table for 30 minutes. Simply close your eyes, do a deep breathing exercise and when you open your eyes, program yourself by telling yourself exactly what you SHOULD NOT DO in your current situation at the (virtual) table.

[James Tabbah]

Tilt is a frame of mind that one imposes upon one's self becuase they either just had a bad beat handed to them or got sucked out on. These are both just pieces of a great game called poker. If you tell your self before you sit at any table that these things will happen to you as well as to the others you impose these on. You may find that tilting is less likely to happen giving you the heads up becuase when your opponets are expecxting you to be on tilt you are still in control. Just a thought.

[bernie]

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Tilt is a frame of mind that one imposes upon one's self becuase they either just had a bad beat handed to them or got sucked out on. These are both just pieces of a great game called poker. If you tell your self before you sit at any table that these things will happen to you as well as to the others you impose these on. You may find that tilting is less likely to happen giving you the heads up becuase when your opponets are expecxting you to be on tilt you are still in control. Just a thought.

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You can also tilt when you are winning. It's not just restricted to when you're losing.

b

[CrayZee]

I liked the article.

Besides, most readers of the article aren't at the level of "I have the experience and knowledge of an expert but still tilt."

If you're running bad and are not getting the random, positive feedback loop (i.e. simply taking down pots), you might play poorly. You might play poorly after making a mistake here and there. Some people may like to direct that anger onto others (Freudian displacement?) instead of inward.

Everyone probably has some sort of personal reason that they tilt. Hell, some people may even like to tilt for whatever weird reason.

I mostly play video game poker so there may be various reasons people tilt playing that (e.g. quick succession of playing hands poorly in a short time frame can throw me into tilt, so I usually just stop playing).

[Gonso]

I assume there have been articles that get specific about things like dietary concerns affect your tilt?

I know next-to-nothing about the medical correlations between certain types of food and emotional state, but obviously physiological factors have to have an impact on tilt and your game in general... anything on this lying around 2+2 already? Barry Greenstein somewhat alluded to this type of thinking in his book.

Maybe someone can recommend good reading on this subject (for a layperson). Not some hippie book on smoking dried tiger penis or whatever, I mean legit medical research. [I go gay you die.] Am I more likely to tilt if I eat too much red meat?

[GiantBuddha]

"Am I more likely to tilt if I eat too much red meat?"

Yes. I'm a vegetarian and I never tilt.