Pocket Aces, two tables at the same time

[DJ_Northstar]

i'm reading this thread again.

definitely better the first time through.

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[Kilillan]

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[Busted_Flat]

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You lying OP. This can't be true. How can you possibly get A-A at the same time on two tables at once. I call BS. Show some HH.

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I never lie and I've got the goods

Hand One

POKERSTARS GAME #6909750534: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2006/11/05 - 20:30:35 (ET)
Table 'Nestor V' 10-max Seat #10 is the button
Seat 1: Jerzy__Jim ($113 in chips)
Seat 2: Budreau1 ($73 in chips)
Seat 3: NCPat ($45 in chips)
Seat 4: GonzoOne ($143.50 in chips)
Seat 5: chirostud ($84 in chips)
Seat 6: codley67 ($140.50 in chips)
Seat 7: AetherShock ($137 in chips)
Seat 8: Hudak_TheKid ($107 in chips)
Seat 9: Busted_Flat ($260 in chips)
Seat 10: mike7806 ($42 in chips)
Jerzy__Jim: posts small blind $1
Budreau1: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Busted_Flat [As Ah]
NCPat: raises $2 to $4
GonzoOne: folds
chirostud: folds
codley67: calls $4
AetherShock: folds
Hudak_TheKid: calls $4
Busted_Flat: raises $2 to $6
mike7806: folds
Jerzy__Jim: folds
Budreau1: folds
NCPat: calls $2
mike7806 said, "GO GET THEM CODLEY"
codley67: raises $2 to $8
Betting is capped
mike7806 said, "TEACH ME"
Hudak_TheKid: calls $4
Busted_Flat: calls $2
NCPat: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [4h 9h 9c]
NCPat: bets $2
codley67: calls $2
Hudak_TheKid: folds
Busted_Flat: raises $2 to $4
NCPat: calls $2
codley67: calls $2
*** TURN *** [4h 9h 9c] [Ad]
NCPat: checks
codley67: checks
mike7806 said, "come on man"
Busted_Flat: bets $4
NCPat: calls $4
codley67: folds
*** RIVER *** [4h 9h 9c Ad] [8d]
NCPat: checks
Busted_Flat: bets $4
NCPat: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Busted_Flat: shows [As Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Nines)
mike7806 said, "why won't you talk?"
NCPat: shows [Qs Qc] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
Busted_Flat collected $61 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $63 | Rake $2
Board [4h 9h 9c Ad 8d]
Seat 1: Jerzy__Jim (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Budreau1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: NCPat showed [Qs Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Nines
Seat 4: GonzoOne folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: chirostud folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: codley67 folded on the Turn
Seat 7: AetherShock folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Hudak_TheKid folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Busted_Flat showed [As Ah] and won ($61) with a full house, Aces full of Nines
Seat 10: mike7806 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Hand Two

POKERSTARS GAME #6909753568: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2006/11/05 - 20:30:49 (ET)
Table 'Laertes III' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Northern27 ($95 in chips)
Seat 2: jwg33 ($28 in chips)
Seat 5: Budreau1 ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 6: GKD33 ($115 in chips)
Seat 7: baccster ($61 in chips)
Seat 8: Wadd ($119 in chips)
Seat 9: Busted_Flat ($184.50 in chips)
Seat 10: mgfi26 ($113.50 in chips)
jwg33: posts small blind $1
Heavy 528: is sitting out
Budreau1: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Busted_Flat [Ad As]
GKD33: raises $2 to $4
Heavy 528 leaves the table
baccster: folds
Wadd: folds
Busted_Flat: raises $2 to $6
mgfi26: folds
Northern27: folds
jwg33: folds
Budreau1: raises $2 to $8
Betting is capped
GKD33: calls $4
Busted_Flat: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [2h Jh 3h]
Budreau1: bets $2
GKD33: folds
Busted_Flat: raises $2 to $4
Budreau1: raises $2 to $6
Busted_Flat: calls $2
*** TURN *** [2h Jh 3h] [9c]
Budreau1: bets $4
Busted_Flat: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [2h Jh 3h 9c] [Ac]
Budreau1: checks
Busted_Flat: bets $4
Budreau1: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Busted_Flat: shows [Ad As] (three of a kind, Aces)
Budreau1: mucks hand
Busted_Flat collected $51 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $53 | Rake $2
Board [2h Jh 3h 9c Ac]
Seat 1: Northern27 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jwg33 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Budreau1 (big blind) mucked [Qs Qd]
Seat 6: GKD33 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: baccster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Wadd folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Busted_Flat showed [Ad As] and won ($51) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 10: mgfi26 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[DJ_Northstar]

the system is down

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title change plz

[tgr0ss]

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You lying OP. This can't be true. How can you possibly get A-A at the same time on two tables at once. I call BS. Show some HH.

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I believe it ... today on PS i had kings in the span of 25 seconds on two tables.. and both times ran into aces...
Its pain;p

[NSchandler]

I am literally laughing so hard I'm crying. Where the [censored] did that come from, that is golden.

[THEOSU]

are you literally crying though?

[paperjam]

To Stars Support

Hello, I read the following which was posted in an online poker forum. Can you please tell me if this is definitive proof that online poker is rigged, or only evidence that it is probably rigged?:

I am usually a small stakes no-limit tournament player and have only recently started multi-tabling limit games at Poker Stars. I've only played a few thousand hands there, so I don't know how unusual this is, but I've never seen anything like it before.

I was playing 3 2/4 limit tables and had just gotten pocket kings cracked, when I was dealt pocket aces on one of my tables. I noticed an ace fall on my other table and then another ace.

At the first table the UTG player raised and there were two cold callers in front of me. I made it three and the UTG capped it and both of the cold-callers followed. The flop came of 4-9-9 and the UTG bet into me and with two callers in front I raised. I was very pleased to see the turn come as an Ace giving me a full house. Only the UTG paid me off, but it was still a nice $61 pot. He showed pocket Queens.

Meanwhile at the other table, a limper in middle position is raised in front of me and I make it three. The original limper caps it and the original raiser calls. The flop comes 2-J-3 all hearts, which does not make me happy. The original limper bets and the next in line folds. I raise and he re-raises. The turn comes the 9 of clubs. He bets I call. The river is the Ace of clubs. He checks I bet and he calls. He shows, yep you guessed it, pocket Queens.

Two hands played simultaneously. Pocket Aces vs. pocket Queens and I get a set or better on each hand. I doubt that I will see that again.

RESPONSE

Hello Jamie,

Thank you for your email. While it may seem odd for this player to hold
AA in two simultaneous games against QQ it truly is not. Each hand is
independent and have nothing to do with each other. Poker consist of 52
randomly shuffled cards and the deal. The cards players receive are a
matter of luck.

As the player stated it is not something they will likely see again
however it can and may happen again. This is the nature of a random
shuffle.

I would like to share some recent information issued in Cardplayer
magazine.

There are two popular theories:

Theory number 1: Online poker is rigged.

Theory number 2: There are more hands dealt per hour, therefore it's an
illusion that there are more bad beats.

Both of these theories are wrong. Here's why: First, online poker is not
rigged. I mean, come on... do you really think these multibillion-dollar
casinos would need to rig hands? They make their money from tournament
entry fees and rakes, and trust me, they're making plenty.

So, what about the second theory? Well, I agree that there are more hands
per hour dealt in online poker than live poker. There's no disputing
that. But I don't think that's a good enough reason -- because bad beats
seem to occur in a higher percentage of hands online.

The reason more bad beats seem to occur in a higher percentage of hands
online is because the very nature of online poker leads people to play
differently. The cards and odds are the same, but the players aren't the
same.

In online poker, a large portion of players adopt the style of loose-
aggressive. They act irrationally, play hands they shouldn't, and play
them too aggressively. Why? Because online poker isn't as "real." Heck,
the casinos give you so much "free" money when you sign up, how could it
feel real? The cards aren't real. The chips aren't real. The table isn't
real. None of that stuff even exists. All you see when you play online
poker or some silly little animations. And you hear some "click, click"
sounds of fake chips. That's it!

It's a different world, my friend.

Poker is experiencing an increase in popularity unlike anything
the industry has ever seen. Due to the popularity of the WPT and other
television events, and also the WSOP championships won by online
players Chris Moneymaker, Greg Raymer and now Joseph Hachem; poker
has experienced an influx of new and inexperienced players. In many
cases, the addition of two of these players to a game inherently can
increase its volatility. I am sure I don't need to tell you what type of
player I am talking about, as I am sure you have had to deal with
a "newbie" capping a pot with "rags" from time to time. A player like this
does increase your variance, and therefore has a strong effect on your
short term success. However, this type of player also increases your
expected value, and has an even stronger influence on your long term
winning expectation.

(If you are like most players on PokerStars, you have played your
share of tournaments, and this leads to another possible explanation.)

Tournaments have a much higher variance than ring games, and this
is because of the progressive blind and ante structures that they
employ. In a ring game, you can always put more chips on the table when
suffering a beat, but in a tournament you face the constant pressure
of elimination. There is also the "ego" factor in tournaments.
Tournaments are simply more competitive than ring games, and this is
because of the elimination factor that we face. It's very frustrating to
play two and a half hours, get 3 seats away from cashing, only to have
your AK all-in bet be called down by 4 5 suited, and losing to that hand
when a loose 5 hits the board. Even the most experienced professionals
have suffered the consequences of the sport's burgeoning player base. You
might have heard a TV pro or two refer to dodging "minefields"? These
minefields are the new players that have earned their tournament entry
from online sites like ours.

Bad beats are going to happen, and it's an unfortunate reality that
poker players in general(myself included), tend to focus on recent
negative trends and forget to recall recent success. Let's face it,
most times when we get sucked out on or witness a bad beat, we chalk it up
to bad fortune. When we happen to catch a lucky draw, how often do we
recall when we attribute this to good fortune? Not often, because most of
the time we tend to chalk these up as "skill", or sometimes "justice" for
all the bad beats that happen to us.

If you are playing perfect poker and always getting your money in
with the best of it, remember - the only time you're going to lose is
those times when you are ahead! This is a mathematical certainty, just like
the fact that if you keep playing perfect, you're going to be an
eventual winner over a large enough sample size!

Let us know if you have any further questions.

Regards,

Trent
PokerStars Support Team