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Old 11-03-2006, 12:24 PM
andyfox andyfox is offline
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Default 60-120 Hand Against Tony Ma

Tony Ma is on my immediate left. He hasn't played a hand since the Johnson administration, and I'm talking Andrew Johnson. I open UTG with A-Q. Tony 3-bets.

Time to pull a play from Tommy's arsenal and fold?
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Old 11-03-2006, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: 60-120 Hand Against Tony Ma

How many hands have you played? I don't like it but I'm no student of Tommy.
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Old 11-03-2006, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: 60-120 Hand Against Tony Ma

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Tony Ma is on my immediate left. He hasn't played a hand since the Johnson administration, and I'm talking Andrew Johnson. I open UTG with A-Q. Tony 3-bets.

Time to pull a play from Tommy's arsenal and fold?

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Call, for 2 reasons:

A) He has KK. For this reason, I call the extra sb and see the flop.

B) One physical law of the game that I have incorporated through hard work and practice over the last 3 years and which has resulted in lots of money ... do the opposite of Angelo.

TSP
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Old 11-03-2006, 01:36 PM
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Default Re: 60-120 Hand Against Tony Ma

Call and take a flop, but be ready to give up fairly quickly if you don't flop something.
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Old 11-03-2006, 01:49 PM
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Default Re: 60-120 Hand Against Tony Ma

Does Tony Ma really play that bad?
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Old 11-03-2006, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: 60-120 Hand Against Tony Ma

There's a difference between being card dead and being a rock. And even if he's a rock, unless he's really good postflop, you're getting 6.5 to 1.
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Old 11-03-2006, 04:31 PM
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Default Re: 60-120 Hand Against Tony Ma

"Time to pull a play from Tommy's arsenal and fold?"

FWIW, I have never raise-folded BTF with AQ. But then, I've never played with Tony. :-)
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Old 11-03-2006, 04:43 PM
Tommy Angelo Tommy Angelo is offline
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Default Re: 60-120 Hand Against Tony Ma

Okay Andy I gave your hand a little more thought and I think the best way to play it would be to go ahead and see the flop and then fold on the turn.
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Old 11-03-2006, 04:46 PM
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Default Re: 60-120 Hand Against Tony Ma

AJ would be a no brainer fold but AQ is worth a call.
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:21 PM
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Default Re: 60-120 Hand Against Tony Ma

If he is only raising with AK, AA, KK, QQ then you are only going to continue when you flop an Ace. I believe you will flop an ace about 15% of the time. (1 to 5.5, or 1 in 6.5) But when you flop an Ace you won't always win and you will probably put more money in when you are behind, than he will put in when he is behind. I think you about 10% equity in this spot.

I know this is simplified analysis but I would lean towards folding. (I've folded AJ in this spot but not AQ)
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