I need help folding hands.

Imrahil · #1 10-31-2006, 02:45 PM

I haven't been able to fold hands lately for some reason. Particularly on the river. I'm always trying to make these heroic calls.

Here is an example:

Villain is 63/16/1.1 and just lost a pot so he may be on tilt.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($26.15)
CO ($30.80)
Button ($3.90)
SB ($30.65)
BB ($16.05)
Hero ($40.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB calls $1.25.

Turn: ($4.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($4.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $4.25, Hero calls $4.25.

Final Pot: $13.25

I would guess most of you fold this? Is it possible he was on a FD and now is bluffing at the pot? I think my major leak is making bad calling decisions on the river.

orange · #2 10-31-2006, 02:56 PM

definite fold.

netstorm · #3 10-31-2006, 02:57 PM

Zeebo my friend, zeebo...

meaning you cant fold this one :P

Shaddux · #4 10-31-2006, 03:01 PM

I used to do this all the time. Here, I'm not looking to see a showdown with 44 unimproved, so if you are willing to call a riverbet (as you did here), then I would second-barrel the turn and c/f river instead. If I had something like KK-JJ, I like your original line a lot more.

But IMO, the best line here is to c/f all the way down after flop cbet is called. I also bet more on the flop.

ColdSteel · #5 10-31-2006, 03:15 PM

Betting the turn is a better plan than calling the river, and costs the same ammount of money. Your thinking is mis-aligned.

Imrahil · #6 10-31-2006, 03:16 PM

I think I give people too much credit for a FD when it's just heads up and chances are that he doesn't have one. I used to be able to lay down hands but seeing so much awefull play makes it hard. Maybe I should have only called the river bet if it was about half pot or smaller.

redCashion · #7 10-31-2006, 05:32 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I used to be able to lay down hands but seeing so much awefull play makes it hard.

[/ QUOTE ]

You can't out-donk a donk. The only way to make money off of bad players is to not make the mistakes they are making, so you have to fold in obvious fold situations.

Jigsaws · #8 10-31-2006, 05:44 PM

PSB are generally not bluffs unless you're dealing with a known maniac. Most weak players bluff at pots weakly because they "don't want to lose too much money if he calls".

Tony Montana 22 · #9 10-31-2006, 05:45 PM

[ QUOTE ]
You can't out-donk a donk. The only way to make money off of bad players is to not make the mistakes they are making, so you have to fold in obvious fold situations.

[/ QUOTE ]

Absolutley golden, and so fundamental that I foget it on a regular basis - already stickied to my monitor so at least I won't have an excuse for not remembering it.

snoopdawg · #10 10-31-2006, 05:46 PM

Coupl-a questions then....
1. So the natural play is to bet this turn?
2. As is, would you call a 1/2PSB on river?

I make these mistakes toooooo often. This thread has really made it obvious to me.