CCU...gone?

[kiemo]

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Good God, enough already. Take this bastard to court. How many times does he have to lie before you stop believing his statements?

This isn't complicated. He's a crook.

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Wadda mean?

justinag06, a well respected long time member of this community whose contributions to these forums is immeasurable, defends FON with a tenacity of a mother lion protecting a cub. Surely you arent suggesting justinag06 is wrong.

Also atom_new, another well respected contributer to these forums, told us all to relax, stop being selfish, and let FON have as much time as needed, becuase threatening legal action and saying mean things about FON is only going to make him mad and then FON will never pay just out of spite.


Also be careful, I think calling FON a crook violates his T&C.

[FreeOffersNow]

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But when he doesn't pay on the 20th, he just comes on and gives excuses. You know what FON, nobody cares if you waited until the 11th to initiate a Neteller deposit: it was your fault for waiting that long. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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The NETeller issue is something called an unforeseen circumstance...I've made a good-faith effort to make payments on time but due to factors outside my control I have been unable to do so. It's not an excuse, it's a fact.

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If you act like a prick, requiring people to abide by every letter of the T&C and looking for excuses not to pay people, then you should expect the same treatment in return.

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I was MORE than lenient in reviewing ID’s for verification. Surely you’ve all provided ID to casinos before withdrawal (especially since Mansion required ID to cash out)…this is no different; just because I’m not some faceless corporation doesn’t make it some cruel and unusual punishment.

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You're not doing us a favor by paying us, so get off your high horse and stop acting like people are being unreasonable for lighting a fire under your ass. It seems to be the only way to get you to do anything.

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Could have fooled me - would it be better if I just disappeared? The “legal [censored]-storm” that has many of you licking your lips isn’t nearly as forceful as Blowup Doll would like you to believe…we’ll just leave it at that. At this point my motivation is to do what is right…not fear.

All in all, I've come to the conclusion that many of you post here more in an effort to be "funny" than actually make any meaningful contribution. Why is that? I’m doing all I can to get things sorted out with NETeller, and even after several posts from well-respected members stating that this is not an isolated incident…many of you maintain that this is a “smokescreen” or “stalling tactic.”

[brendanb438]

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[john kane]

Ive read quite a lot of this (to delay revising for economics test).

It seems FON guy is trying to sort things out after [censored] himself that running off with a lot of peoples money is not as easy as it may seem.

He is very wise to try to pay everyone, as if he didnt without a doubt someone would hunt him down and break his legs, arms and knock out his teeth. if someone did that to me without a doubt i'd reseach now into who they are, and then five years down the line when i had a enough cash id go after the guy and pay some big [censored] to beat the living [censored] out of him. so good job you didnt scam me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

and ps. i already have researched into one affliate who scammed me out of money. he will not be so chuffed with himself around the year 2012.

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You're not doing us a favor by paying us, so get off your high horse and stop acting like people are being unreasonable for lighting a fire under your ass. It seems to be the only way to get you to do anything.


[/ QUOTE ] Could have fooled me - would it be better if I just disappeared? The “legal [censored]-storm” that has many of you licking your lips isn’t nearly as forceful as Blowup Doll would like you to believe…we’ll just leave it at that.

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It's getting to the point where the "money I'm owed" < "the fun of making your life difficult."

[john kane]

seriously, he is an utter fool if for one moment he thought he could get away with this.

[john kane]

and also good to see (edit did say hats off, but that was not appropriate, as he says, he is trying to sort this mess out. i wish him all the best in sorting this out.

[Homer]

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You're not doing us a favor by paying us, so get off your high horse and stop acting like people are being unreasonable for lighting a fire under your ass. It seems to be the only way to get you to do anything.

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Could have fooled me - would it be better if I just disappeared?

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So you're saying you are doing people a favor by paying?

[bgoalie35]

Just for those that may be worried about their money (as $250 is a lot of money for many here, me included):

I was worried just like you before I got paid. I told myself then, though, and I still believe now, that if FON was going to take the money and run, he'd be gone already. Why would he waste all his time here posting everyday if he was going to run? I may be dumb and naive, but I actually believe he is gonna pay up to everyone else.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. Good luck to everyone, I hope everyone gets paid what they deserve. And if you want to flame away at the source of your anxiety to pass the time, feel free.

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Also atom_new, another well respected contributer to these forums, told us all to relax, stop being selfish, and let FON have as much time as needed, becuase threatening legal action and saying mean things about FON is only going to make him mad and then FON will never pay just out of spite.


Also be careful, I think calling FON a crook violates his T&C.

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Hmm, interesting post. You start out by using sarcasm, or(to give you the benefit of the doubt) socratic irony. You then go on to completely miss my point, and then you finish off with a joke which seems to be an apt embodiment of your entire post: Amusing to read, minimal basis in reality, and not actual contributing to the thread.

Either way, I'll just address the two main issues.
1) My credibility:
When I made my original post and my followups to that, I wasn't asking for respect based on my post count. Obviously, it's retarded to think that the ideas put forth by someone with a low post count are necessarily invalid, and conversely when someone with a high post count makes a comment, everything should be taken as true.
Sure, someone who just created their account or who hasn't posted much at all is more likely to be a fake, a troll, or a sock puppet.
Maybe I am one of those, I really can't(or have no inclination to) prove otherwise. But that doesn't matter because I am not asserting facts(eg: stating "FON paid me right away, and has always been perfect towards me). Those are what you look out for when you see an unknown person posting, because such facts are not as reliable as those posted by respected members of the community.
However, I was presenting my ideas and thoughts on this issue: Ideas which I thought were well-reasoned, and I tried to justify them. By all means, challenge those ideas, that's the point of this thread. But it doesn't matter who I am. I could be FON, David Sklansky, or someone who's never even played online poker... my reliability has no bearing on the validity of the arguments I make.
That leads me to:

2. My Argument
I did suggest that people relax, and I also warned about the dangers of being selfish in a situation like this. But I never said anything about giving him as much time as he needed, and I also didn't say that we shouldn't do anything because we don't want to make him mad.

All I wanted to do was to remind people of what I see as a very natural spectrum which exists. At a bare minimum, FON is an individual with limited resources. We have all already decided that he will be giving up those resources. However, his losses will fall on a spectrum between restitution and punishment. Restitution is when he gives the money to the people who deserve it. Punishment is where he gives up the money to an uninvolved 3rd party(legal fees, court fees, fines imposed by court, IRS, etc.).
For EVERY dollar that he is forced to give as punishment, that is one dollar less that is given as restitution.*
Any of us have the power to inflict significant punishment on FON, by calling the cops, or going to court. The punishment we inflict by doing that greatly outweighs the amount any of us is individually owed. A person exercising that ability ends up costing other 2+2ers the money they may have received from him.
Right now, I just feel that most of us would RATHER get money then see him lose the money we're owed to the courts or to legal fees.
That is why I think we should make sure to let him know that the threat of punishment is there, but refrain from using that UNTIL a point where it is necessary or worthwhile. That point has nothing to do with time... that point is when the probability of getting our money (our EV, if you will) is so low that it becomes unimportant. That is when we will do everything we can to punish FON, and FON: if it gets to that point, I gurantee you that we, as a community, will punish you.

*Obviously, the WORST thing to do is to do nothing at all... we can't let him keep all the money and then not punish him... but we've already decided that that won't happen. FON will be giving us the money we're owed, or getting punished, or some combination of the two. However, I would much rather see the money go into my pocket than into the pocket of some lawyers.