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Old 10-26-2006, 11:51 AM
StevoC StevoC is offline
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Default Re: Slowplay this AA?

You don't think it's a stretch to think that the CO is trapping the button with a limp?
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Old 10-26-2006, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: Slowplay this AA?

Depends on the read, but that'd be a hell of a bunch if he woke up and called you with something strong enough to call your shove.

Might be a wider range though. I'd like limpin' sometimes, but that's more fun.
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Old 10-26-2006, 12:18 PM
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Default Re: Slowplay this AA?

I push this... limping is just asking for trouble and if someone has been pushing but still has a short stack decides to raise 3-4x the bb it is almost always a huge hand.
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Old 10-26-2006, 08:49 PM
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You don't think it's a stretch to think that the CO is trapping the button with a limp?

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Actually, I had this thought, which sealed my decision to raise all-in...and then everyone folded. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 10-26-2006, 08:52 PM
FortunaMaximus FortunaMaximus is offline
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Go back, add up the shoves, see if it's more than you'd get for calling and losing one race.

That's the point. Doesn't matter which time they call you.
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Old 10-26-2006, 10:43 PM
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Default Re: Results...

Yah, I vote for a push, especially since you have pushed previously and not shown your hands. You'll likely get looked up by the CO who can afford to speculate with 8000 chippies.

I don't think this is a good time to limp with AA, mainly because of the CO openlimping in front of you.
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Old 10-27-2006, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: Results...

I voted raise not push - but I tend to assume villian is a bad player until he proves otherwise
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Old 10-27-2006, 02:52 PM
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What hands are going to call the AI but fold to the raise?

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The better question is what is going to call 1200, but fold to 3000? If any of the villains have half a brain a raise to 1200 w/ only 1800 behind is screaming action, whereas pushing, especially when we have been pushing a lot, is your standard raise.

One reason we push w/ speculative hands (Ax, suited connectors, etc) is so when we do get our big hands (as we have here) and push it has a high probability of being called.

Pushing your speculative hands and raising 1/2 your stack w/ monsters is a horrible idea and is definitely a leak. Also, 10-12 BB's is the line for pushing and this is a ridiculously EASY push.
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Old 10-27-2006, 11:15 PM
RonMexico RonMexico is offline
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If any of the villains have half a brain a raise to 1200 w/ only 1800 behind is screaming action, whereas pushing, especially when we have been pushing a lot, is your standard raise.

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And this villain is not likely to have half a brain (hence his limp from the CO). The OP didn't tell us what stake he is playing. I imagine it's not a $10,000 world championship event.

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One reason we push w/ speculative hands (Ax, suited connectors, etc) is so when we do get our big hands (as we have here) and push it has a high probability of being called.

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And since your speculative hands come with much higher frequency in push situations, your weak holdings are going to get looked up a lot more before you catch that elusive monster. I don't entirely agree with your statement.

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Pushing your speculative hands and raising 1/2 your stack w/ monsters is a horrible idea and is definitely a leak. Also, 10-12 BB's is the line for pushing and this is a ridiculously EASY push.

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You make it sound like the posters advocating a raise think this is some type of "standard play." To that, I say you should at least try to read the arguments made in these posts. This is a special situation where a raise could be better than pushbotting, unless--and from your analysis this may be true--you have no intention of trying to win the tournament but just hang around to finish ITM. I assumed the OP was going ftw.
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