Marginal hand in position

Tiki · #1 10-26-2006, 10:30 AM

Comments on all streets appreciated ($4 tourney).

Hero is button with 16k (slightly above average stack) and no reads.

Blinds 300/600.

UTG+1 (2.5k) calls

MP2 (8.1k) calls [villain]

CO (10k) calls

Hero on the button (16k) calls with KJo

SB (11k) completes and BB (11.4k) checks.

Pot is 3.6k.

Flop: 10h Kh 5s

Action: 3 checks, villain bets 2.4k ,fold, hero calls, 3 folds.

Pot is 8.4k.

Turn: Qh

Villain pushes (5.1k) and hero calls getting 2.6:1.

Thanks.

FortunaMaximus · #2 10-26-2006, 10:34 AM

Toss. If it's Jh you're holding, I like callin' a bit better, but you shouldn't have called the flop bet to begin with.

This is more likely to be AK-Ax with Ah than anythin' else, and you can't beat even that.

Better PF thought process before limpin', and TPWK isn't what you want to see on flop.

durkahdurkah · #3 10-26-2006, 10:40 AM

Raise flop.

Since you didn't, I think we still need to call turn, since this isn't a definite flush, and we would still have at least 6 outs to beat TP/higher kicker (if it's out there), and may have 8 if no flush draw.

Basically if you were folding that flop you shouldn't have called pre. If you were folding this turn you shouldn't have called flop.

StevoC · #4 10-26-2006, 11:18 AM

Build up the muck pile. You might be getting 2.6:1 for your money, but you're still looking at -ev.

mornelth · #5 10-26-2006, 11:25 AM

Learn to fold KJo. Seriously.

A while ago my PT showed that to be one of the two MOST EXPENSIVE HANDS in my game, so now I just fold it PF in most situations, and while it may not be the MOST +EV play with the hand sometimes, it is certainly +EV.

There ARE of course situations where it does perform well enough, but a multi-way pot with enough chips for some (but not a LOT of) post-flop play is not one of them IMO.