CCU...gone?

[Lawman]

FON may or may not pay some, most or all of you, but his excuses and behaviour are symptomatic of a business going under and about to leave its creditors swinging in the wind (and FON that's not an accusation merely an observation based on experience).

A business with cash flow problems always promises to pay and uses any delaying tactic they can think of (many are very plausible). The honest ones because they are desperately trying to stay afloat and the dishonest ones because the money is being (or has been) diverted elsewhere. Either way, the longer time goes on, the less likely the creditors will get anything. Moreover most creditors either don't see it coming or mentally block out the possibility.

Many of you assume that FON has seen the light and will pay up, but are you sure he still has the funds?

I think FON has found some sort of moral compass over this issue and I don't advocate going after him in any way. However, although I am happy to be wrong, I still think there is a good chance a lot of you will not see your money.

[Blowup Doll]

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What legal options are available?
The other thing people might do is to go after it legally. If that happens, most people are also screwed. First off, everyone outside of his jurisdiction are going to be generally unable to collect from him. Even if we could, the people who don't want their names to be on a public record involved with gambling are also screwed.
Aside from that, there are also legal fees, including filing fees(even if you do everything yourself) which are expensive. FON will need to defend himself, and that money will come out of what he has available. Even if people prove a case and are able to get everyoine to collect, he won't be able to fufill it, meaning we get screwed(plus it will take at least a year if not 2 for it to go through).

And if you even think of a class action suit to avoid individual legal hassels, then you have no idea about the legal system. Class Action suits are NEVER started by plaintiffs. Instead, they are started by lawyers who look for plaintiffs. They always settle, and what happens is that the lawyers make tons of money, while the plaintiffs get very little compared to what they are owed.

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A lot of what you're saying is state-dependent. For example, in my state, a small claims suit can be filed where the contract was signed (or agreed to). If the contract was signed online, then the location is where the customer resides when s/he signed it. Thus, in our case, we can file in our county and it only costs $47.

As for the class-action suit, you are correct in that the attorneys will get most of the money. But how exactly does that hurt us? If we're not getting paid anyway, then i'd rather see an attorney actually earn the money than watch this little lying thief get away with stealing it. Plus, watching the fallout in his life would be well worth the time invested.

I'm not the only one who feels this way, judging from the 200 PMs and emails i've been getting. There are quite a few people here with plenty of time and money on their hands to cause FON all the grief he deserves.

[ouzacprice]

What kind of neteller eft are we talking about here? And has anyone ever know neteller to not solve an id/ document verification issue very very fast (like 30 min.) if you actually send them the documents they need??? This guy is flat out lyeing about all of his b.s. problems so that he won't have to pay us.
Put my name on the list for that lawsuit- I also dont know what the rules are in Texas, where I live, but my Dad is an attorney and we have lots of family friend attorneys that would be glad to help me out with this.

[atom_new]

Blowup doll:
The jurisdiction of the contract can always be modified by contract. Otherwise, when you enter into a contract with partypoker or any other site located in a jurisdiction where gaming is legal, your belief that the contract is considered formed in your state will immediately invalidate the contract, and can expose you to criminal liability as well.

Regardless, you seemed to have missed my point. Yes, I acknowledge that there are some people who don't care about the money and would rather just punish FON for his actions.
But that does screw things up for the rest of us, who don't want to get involved with court actions, or the people who can not. It also prevents him from paying out money through neteller as promised, since his money is tied up in legal fees, etc.

So yes, I see that as soon as one person wants to punish him, they can by alerting the authorities or using the judicial system. However, the person doing that is selfish and is [censored] everyone else over who prefers money to punishing FON.

So all I'm asking is that you hold out from doing that and everyone else hold out from doing that UNTIL we get to the point where a majority of people here have given up on receiving money, and would rather just punish FON. That is the time to use the legal system against him

[AvivaSimplex]

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FON may or may not pay some, most or all of you, but his excuses and behaviour are symptomatic of a business going under and about to leave its creditors swinging in the wind (and FON that's not an accusation merely an observation based on experience).

A business with cash flow problems always promises to pay and uses any delaying tactic they can think of (many are very plausible). The honest ones because they are desperately trying to stay afloat and the dishonest ones because the money is being (or has been) diverted elsewhere. Either way, the longer time goes on, the less likely the creditors will get anything. Moreover most creditors either don't see it coming or mentally block out the possibility.

Many of you assume that FON has seen the light and will pay up, but are you sure he still has the funds?

I think FON has found some sort of moral compass over this issue and I don't advocate going after him in any way. However, although I am happy to be wrong, I still think there is a good chance a lot of you will not see your money.

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Good points. I think FON never had the money--if SIA paid him according to their standard chart, he only got paid $150 per signup. So for every person who signed up, he'd lose $100, if he paid out.

I called him on this in an earlier thread, and he claimed he had negotiated a special high-volume deal with them. It seemed unlikely at the time, and in retrospect, knowing what FON's word is worth, it seems completely implausible. Now I think he's just trying to disqualify as many people as possible through the ID verification requirement and at least break even.

That's assuming he actually does plan to pay most people. He's been pretty vague about what exactly the problem is with Neteller. It seems ridiculous that a competent company like Neteller would require him to resend documents many times just so he could deposit with them. It's not like he's trying to withdraw money from some rogue casino or something.

I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know much about bankruptcy or debt collection. It seems to me, though, that this would be an ideal time for FON to be hiding whatever assets he does have, before suits are filed.

[AvivaSimplex]

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So all I'm asking is that you hold out from doing that and everyone else hold out from doing that UNTIL we get to the point where a majority of people here have given up on receiving money, and would rather just punish FON. That is the time to use the legal system against him

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Perhaps the forum should collectively set a final deadline, after which no excuses would be accepted, and legal action would be taken.

[CTheCowboy]

Just got another email from SIA`s affiliate dept...

Hello ****,

Thank you for contacting us with this problem.
We are aware of the problem with casinocashunlimited.com. Casinocashunlimited is part of an affiliate network whereby an affiliate can join any program they wish, and promote the site independently. They are under an honor system to adhere to the terms and conditions of our affiliate program. Casinocashunlimited has been paid for all signups last month, and it appears that they were defrauding the clients that visited their site. We have not received any requests from them and we never authorized them to give out bonuses for signup.

Unfortunately there is little we can do since the affiliate has already been paid. Casinocashunlimited has been uncontactable.

I hope you are still able to enjoy your experience at Sports Interaction despite the problem you encountered with the affiliate. We are sorry for any trouble you have experienced.

Kind Regards,

Affiliate Team
http://www.sportsinteraction.com
Licensed and Regulated in North America. Est.1997

...The requests she mentions are in response to my question about manual credit requests. It appears thats all BS.
And the bit about no bonuses for signup appears that there was never any $250.

[FreeOffersNow]

Let me address a few things here:

First, now that it doesn't really matter, my initial rate with SIA was $330 CPA, then I renegotiated to $345, and then to $352.50 with the new broker (all October leads were through this broker). As I never dealt directly with SIA, they actually have NO IDEA what they are talking about (they do not/cannot differentiate my traffic from other traffic through that broker, nor can they differentiate manual credit requests). They are just trying to cover their asses and disassociate themselves with CasinoCashUnlimited - I’m sure their affiliate department appreciates all the emails, though.

Regarding the NETeller issue, believe what you like – but to assume that every update I make is another attempt to smokescreen a “getaway” is immature and naïve, at best. If I was going to run I’d have been gone…and certainly wouldn’t have brought the site back up. I’m working as quickly as possible to get this cleared up, but for whatever reason; NETeller doesn’t seem too interested in a speedy resolution.

Moving on, atom new is correct about the jurisdiction of the contract; re-read my Terms and Conditions. Specifically: “I. GOVERNING LAW AND OTHER TERMS. Any action related to this Agreement will be governed by New York law, excluding (1) principles of conflicts of laws, and (2) the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods. Any action relating to this Agreement shall be brought in the state or federal courts located in the Northern District of New York, and You hereby submit to the exclusive jurisdiction and venue thereof. You agree to comply with the laws of New York and the United States that apply to the use of this Service and the compensation You may receive. If the law of Your country, state, or province of residence prohibits or limits Your participation in this Service, then You are responsible for complying with such laws and you agree to indemnify CasinoCashUnlimited.com against any breach. If any part of this Agreement is held to be unenforceable, the unenforceable part shall be given effect to the greatest extent possible and the remainder will remain in full force and effect. This Agreement is personal to You and You may not transfer, delegate, or assign this Agreement, your referral network, your CasinoCashUnlimited.com account or other benefits you receive as a CasinoCashUnlimited.com Member to anyone. Any attempt by You to assign or delegate this Agreement shall be null and void. CasinoCashUnlimited.com may assign this Agreement at its sole discretion.” It is apparent that some of you are lamentably unenlightened as to the laws, however, this is not my concern…I plan to meet my obligations! Nonetheless, if some of you feel it necessary to [prematurely] file suit, I encourage you to do what you feel is right. As clearly evidenced throughout this thread, nothing I say here will change your thinking.

[Blowup Doll]

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So all I'm asking is that you hold out from doing that and everyone else hold out from doing that UNTIL we get to the point where a majority of people here have given up on receiving money, and would rather just punish FON. That is the time to use the legal system against him

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Clearly, that is a last-resort option. I've waited this long and will wait a few more days. However, if he doesn't pay up, then he's going to pay eventually in legal headaches.

[kiemo]

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So all I'm asking is that you hold out from doing that and everyone else hold out from doing that UNTIL we get to the point where a majority of people here have given up on receiving money

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Guess what, the majority of people on these boards who have a clue gave up receiving money about Oct 11.

You accuse everyone else of being selfish, but I do not think you understand this word as you are being the selfish one.

Side A: All they want is their money and they dont want anybody else to interfere or slow down the process

Side B: Hold out hope for their money, but live in the real world and understand that there are too many coincidental circumstances surrounding the payments that scream SCAM. So they are willing to put some time and their own money into a process to legally go after FON for fraud. Maybe they get paid through this process, maybe not.

Which group is being the most selfish? Hint your in that group.