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Sigurd · #1 10-24-2006, 07:35 AM

The table is the poker equivalent to rocky mountains, and heros image is porbably tight, since he has been card dead.

The only read on MP1 are his Pokertracker stats:
VP$IP - 24%
PFT - 10%
Hands - something like 25-30

My original plan was to 3-bet the flop, and then lead the turn, hoping that he would fold.

Cryptologic 1.00/2.00 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises, 5 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB.

Niediam · #2 10-24-2006, 07:53 AM

FPS

When you have ace high you go crazy with bets/raises and when you actually make a hand you go passive?

YesMehFriend · #3 10-24-2006, 07:54 AM

I don't play crypto 1/2, but will ppl raise ui overs often on this flop? If you think villain might fold ui overs, I'd go for a flop c/r, lead T. If he holds a pp chances are slim to make him fold.
And I'd just lead the turn you're expected to bet any turn after your flop-3bet. He might call down a pp anyway. If he raises the turn, I call down.

Btw.: If villain isn't somewhat weak, folding the flop isn't a bad option imo.

Bona · #4 10-24-2006, 07:58 AM

IMO the plan wasn't good. I would have played it

Check and call the flop (if 1, if 2 back I fold)
As played bet the turn
Bet the river

Sigurd · #5 10-24-2006, 08:07 AM

ARGH! I forgot to change the title.

Sigurd · #6 10-24-2006, 08:11 AM

My usual line on Cryptologic, when I'm in HU, is:
3-bet flop, lead turn, villain folds.
I obviously don't know what they have in these situations, but it has worked a lot lately.

YesMehFriend · #7 10-24-2006, 08:24 AM

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My usual line on Cryptologic, when I'm in HU, is:
3-bet flop, lead turn, villain folds.
I obviously don't know what they have in these situations, but it has worked a lot lately.

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This play is very villain and flop-texture dependent. What hands are going to bet/3bet this flop? You could make this play if there was a bluff chance (a K-high flop etc.) But what do you want to represent on this flop? You can't always tell them you have a set. I like a c/r much more than bet-3bet.
At best you get a good hand into call down mode with your bet-3bet.

And I still think you should either c/c or c/f the flop.

YesMehFriend · #8 10-24-2006, 08:28 AM

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IMO the plan wasn't good. I would have played it

Check and call the flop (if 1, if 2 back I fold)
As played bet the turn
Bet the river

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It's hu on the flop...
But anyway: agreed.

Sigurd · #9 10-24-2006, 09:09 AM

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My usual line on Cryptologic, when I'm in HU, is:
3-bet flop, lead turn, villain folds.
I obviously don't know what they have in these situations, but it has worked a lot lately.

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This play is very villain and flop-texture dependent. What hands are going to bet/3bet this flop? You could make this play if there was a bluff chance (a K-high flop etc.) But what do you want to represent on this flop? You can't always tell them you have a set. I like a c/r much more than bet-3bet.
At best you get a good hand into call down mode with your bet-3bet.

And I still think you should either c/c or c/f the flop.

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I want to represent a pair of sevens or something like that. To be honest, I haven't thought much about what I could have here, I have thought more about what my opponent could have. When playing I put him on A with paint kicker. Of course he could also have a pocket pair, which in retroperspective propably seems more likely.

I'm not particular keen on the idea of check-raising the flop, simply because I would never do that with a real hand. Am I giving my opponents too much credit?

Almost all the 1/2 players at Cryptologic fit into the category of players I would expect to fold. Since they are so tight, I don't expect them to have the guts to call me down without a good hand. If I remember correctly, this guy is looser than the average player.

What I think that they think:
1. He is continuation betting, I'll raise to see where I stand.
2. He reraised me, he must have something.
3. I check-fold the turn because I think I'm beaten.

YesMehFriend · #10 10-24-2006, 11:03 AM

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I'm not particular keen on the idea of check-raising the flop, simply because I would never do that with a real hand.

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Do you bet - 3bet A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on this flop?
You say: "I don't expect them to have the guts to call me down without a good hand" but they always raise you with ui overs?
I guess your bet gets raised most likely by pps and is called by many overs. Save this play for weak opponents and good bluffing opportunities. A K-high flop might make someone fold TT when you bet - 3bet but no one will fold it on this flop.

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What I think that they think:
1. He is continuation betting, I'll raise to see where I stand.
2. He reraised me, he must have something.
3. I check-fold the turn because I think I'm beaten.

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1. Villain can't think you're c-betting since he was the pf-aggressor.
2./3. Change these to "he used a strange line, let's see what he has"

BTW.: I strongly doubt that always putting in 3 bets (+ turn bets) to win a 4 sb pot from someone who might hold a decent hand is +ev.