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Old 10-23-2006, 02:25 PM
Sushiglutton Sushiglutton is offline
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Default Re: Pumping Non Nut Flush draws - Out of Postion

I'm betting out instead. This flop is ragged and someone without a K will probably fold. If I don't get too many callers (>2) I fire again on the turn. I don't think u have an equity edge 3-handed with no OC's. And ur line screams FD.

Edit: The main problem with a CR/check line is that it gives u zero chance of winning UI. The second problem is that u don't have an equity edge. The third problem is that u give ur hand away.
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Old 10-23-2006, 02:56 PM
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Default Re: Pumping Non Nut Flush draws - Out of Postion

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This flop is ragged and someone without a K will probably fold.

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I'd only be playing this hand OOP if I'm a blind, and if so I'm betting out about 70% of the time. I would try and drive out the players with 2nd/3rd pair (including small pockets). If somebody raises, then I would call but check-fold on the turn if I don't hit the flush.

But then again, I suck.
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Old 10-23-2006, 03:01 PM
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Default Re: Pumping Non Nut Flush draws - Out of Postion

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I'd only be playing this hand OOP if I'm a blind, and if so I'm betting out about 70% of the time. I would try and drive out the players with 2nd/3rd pair (including small pockets). If somebody raises, then I would call but check-fold on the turn if I don't hit the flush.


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If u bet and are raised there will be 8sb in the pot. When u check and villain bets again on the turn, u are getting 5:1 odds. Since the chance of making ur flush is about 4.5:1 against, u have an overlay here and must call. Also u will probably make another bet on the river, making ur implied odds 6:1.
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Old 10-23-2006, 03:02 PM
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Default Re: Pumping Non Nut Flush draws - Out of Postion

I'd check and call the flop
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Old 10-23-2006, 10:16 PM
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Default Re: Pumping Non Nut Flush draws - Out of Postion

Not enough has been said about the river fold. You're getting 8:1 on a call. I admit, he probably has a king but does he have a king 87% of the time? I doubt it. He could easily have a busted draw or some other random hand.

Plus he probably puts you on a flush draw - I know anyone who checkraises me on the flop and checks the turn is almost certainly on a flush draw. This is another reason why the flop checkraise isn't great unless you follow up on the turn.
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Old 10-23-2006, 11:40 PM
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Default Re: Pumping Non Nut Flush draws - Out of Postion

i call the river also

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Old 10-23-2006, 11:50 PM
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Default Re: Pumping Non Nut Flush draws - Out of Postion

omg why fold when you make a pair of queens. what if hes bluff?
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