2/4 - Reraising Light OOP

Praetor · #1 10-23-2006, 06:55 PM

What are his stats?

DJ Sensei · #2 10-23-2006, 07:01 PM

check, first and foremost.

if he bets the flop, you can c/r shove if you like (seeing as how you have sweet equity against overpairs). If he were to check through the flop, that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Depending on his bet size, you could c/c too if you like. Kinda makes your hand semi-obvious, but by that point the pot will be big enough that you can get some scrilla out of him when you get there.

Also, i think he'll call/raise most of the time if you bet out, and your hand doesnt want a big pot here yet (unless you're the one putting the last big bet in)

aejones · #3 10-23-2006, 07:15 PM

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check, first and foremost.

if he bets the flop, you can c/r shove if you like (seeing as how you have sweet equity against overpairs). If he were to check through the flop, that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Depending on his bet size, you could c/c too if you like. Kinda makes your hand semi-obvious, but by that point the pot will be big enough that you can get some scrilla out of him when you get there.

Also, i think he'll call/raise most of the time if you bet out, and your hand doesnt want a big pot here yet (unless you're the one putting the last big bet in)

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DJ, when 3-betting light, are you not c-betting very very often because there is more pressure on him to hit a flop? Specifically at 2-4? I don't check too many flops after I 3-bet light, specifically not if I hit it this well.

EgoSlasher · #4 10-23-2006, 07:19 PM

Bet/3bet push the flop 1. On flop 2 I would bet/call depending on the size of his raise.

Melchiades · #5 10-23-2006, 07:26 PM

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Bet/3bet push the flop 1. On flop 2 I would bet/call depending on the size of his raise.

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Do you even look at potsize and stacksizes?

EgoSlasher · #6 10-23-2006, 07:37 PM

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Bet/3bet push the flop 1. On flop 2 I would bet/call depending on the size of his raise.

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Do you even look at potsize and stacksizes?

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Around 107bb deep vs that guy... the pot is around 106 we have ~350 left, if we bet 80, he mini raises or makes a raise to 200 we can then push and be a coinflip vs a higher pp and have fold quity vs JJ/QQ. Hand 2 is a lot harder since our hand is much weaker, if he mini raises we can call, if he make a serious raise we likely have to fold. IIf he outright pushes our nitial flop bet we have to make a decision if he'd ever do this w/ AK or only w/ AA/KK, or I guess QQ depending on the villain.

Are you altering your play for an additional 7bb?

EgoSlasher · #7 10-23-2006, 07:24 PM

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check, first and foremost.

if he bets the flop, you can c/r shove if you like (seeing as how you have sweet equity against overpairs). If he were to check through the flop, that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Depending on his bet size, you could c/c too if you like. Kinda makes your hand semi-obvious, but by that point the pot will be big enough that you can get some scrilla out of him when you get there.

Also, i think he'll call/raise most of the time if you bet out, and your hand doesnt want a big pot here yet (unless you're the one putting the last big bet in)

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We don't want pot control in hand 1 vs an OP, we want to be aggressive and try to maximize fold equity, we have a huge draw. In hand 2, a c/c line is ok, I wouldn't c/r though, bet if you want him to fold.

DJ Sensei · #8 10-23-2006, 07:34 PM

aejones: c-betting too much after reraising light is very exploitable, bordering on spew. and as much as i'd like to get the moneys in here with a big draw, i'd rather c/r shove than bet-call.
1) he might sense weakness in our check and bet with a mid-pair, or high cards, or a suited connector or something. most of these will run like hell after a c/r (+EV, no showdown)
2) he might check behind with these same hands, as well as medium-big pairs, because he's afraid of a c/r. (free card = not a bad thing here)
3) if i'm putting all my money in with T high, i want to be the one making the last raise. semibluffs without FE suuuuck.

also i didnt realize it was 2 different hands, i thought it was just a typo...

well my advice stands for the first hand. the second one i'd play more passively probably.

philipsaurus · #9 10-23-2006, 07:37 PM

you have to bet this flop. you have ten high! its def the worst hand, so put some pressure on him. obv, im calling all in once he shoves. im jamming the turn if he calls flop.

FreakDaddy · #10 10-23-2006, 07:46 PM

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you have to bet this flop. you have ten high! its def the worst hand, so put some pressure on him. obv, im calling all in once he shoves. im jamming the turn if he calls flop.

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yuck. Why do you think he has the worst hand? He likely has the best hand and calling an all-in isn't ideal. We'd rather apply the pressure to our opponent. However, how hero plays this hand ideally means we need to know a lot more information then what's provided. We'd like to know how he plays his sets, draws, over pairs, how often he's been raising, how many pots his been in with this opponent, how willing is his opponent to overplay marginal hands, general reads on opponent, etc...

In a wind tunnel I think check-raise push will yield the highest EV, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.