No whiners, delusional folks allowed! Only realists- The FINAL test

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I posted a possible solution to this in another thread and asked someone with experience to comment. Below is the link. I have not done it, but the person responding to me indicated it could be done online.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...age=3&vc=1

The only difference is I believe you're supposed to report foreign accounts on your 1040, but I believe Neteller is considered a foreign account too. I haven't actually asked if that credit card can deposit to online casinos and pokerrooms, but considering the people in the UK can, I have to imagine its not a visa/mc thing and more of a U.S. thing.

[Nikoms]

Stars and FTP are up around 1k daily (each) since Party went out. That's about 50% of Party's daily loss. So where are the other 2k? Some might be waiting things out, some might have quit, some might be on a poker vacation. Who knows? It's been a week since Party went down. Online poker's future is now measure in calander pages, not hands on a watch.


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Great post. I am still in the process of setting up a Neteller account - as are several people I know. The fact is many people simply were not in a huge rush to go back out, sign up, and get locked out of a site again. Not everyone reads the 2+2 forums every few hours [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] to check what sites allow U.S. players, what's the best option for funding an account, etc. One reason for my hesitation was I simply busy last week + I wasn't sure whetherto go with Neteller or a lesser known e-wallet. Simply put, the exodus of Party fish (me?) isn't over yet - many of us are still swimming around slowly, looking for a new pond [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Stars and FTP are up around 1k daily (each) since Party went out. That's about 50% of Party's daily loss. So where are the other 2k?

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A significant number of the players probably also played more than one of these sites at the same time.

[Xhad]

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Jojo is probably right. The arguments against him are debunked already, as Party Poker died, and all the U.S. players went...nowhere. A few k to FT, some to Stars. The huge fish pond? Gone. Why? For the same reason that when Neteller dies, they're not going to do their do-diligence and find random e-wallet, and be willing to switch every month.

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The difference is that Neteller isn't the average player's source of information. Party was. Stars is, for anyone playing on Stars through Neteller. "We're shutting your Neteller account" won't have nearly the effect as "We're shutting your Party account".

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This is the key. I actually had a non-poker playing friend approach me and tell me, "My parents like online poker but they said their site (Party) doesn't take americans anymore" and I pointed him to Stars and FT. If neteller shuts down, Stars/FT/etc. will do that for us.

[kailua]

<<Poster: David Sklansky
Subject: Re: What About Sending And Receiving Cash Through Registered Mail?

Once again I apologize if I am saying something silly due to lack of knowledge:


Wouldn't it be reasonable and more importantly, NOT AT ALL ILLEGAL, to send and receive cash to and from sites by registered mail? If the amounts were small I doubt there would be too many cases of (usually fraudelant) claims that money was lost in the mail. Some procedure would be needed to deal with those claims but my instincts tell me it wouldn't be a big deal.>>

Can you see why not?

[dragonystic]

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Neteller will no doubt pull out when the 270 deadine expires if not before.

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This is not true. It's likely that they will pull out, but nothing is set in stone at this point.

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This forum is full of idiots or rather delusional folk trying to hold on to that last shred of hope by whining/bickering/dreaming/typing away.

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Sure there are plenty of those people. (And I'd say you just joined that category yourself.)

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Fair enough, if there's a feasible method available, we should remain optimistic, but the reality is, not one person has mentioned or detailed a method/plan to carry out transactions.

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That's because Neteller is still in operation. Workarounds will come up as they are needed. And right now we're still in business. Just because no one has found a foolproof way around this doesn't mean there won't be one. It hasn't even been a month yet. Calm down.

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Now I'm NOT talking about methods for the pros or enthusiasts. I'm talking about the average joe.

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It's likely that whatever way the pros find will also be suitable for your average joe. People wanna gamble. And the sites want money.

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If just ONE person can outline a method or business model that will allow the AVERAGE JOE to deposit into a casino site we can remain optimistic. If however, there is no feasible model outlined well....I think that's self explanatory.

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I look forward to this day too. That way I don't have to hear any more "realists" talk about how everything is crashing down.

[PairTheBoard]

Paper Checks

This route may not reduce the number of casual players as much as you might think. I think a lot of casual players were reluctant to provide internet links to their bank accounts to begin with. I know I was. Paper checks might not be that much of a barrier.

What definitely does go away is the Tilting compulsive loser who used to get instant credit on his party account through igmPay. Now he will have a few days to cool off while his snail mail gets delivered. Maybe this will be good enough to satisfy those who want to protect the compulsive gamblers.

PairTheBoard

[Dave G.]

The poker sites are going to be the ones going to the effort of:

a) finding ways for people to get money into their site
b) leading new players through the stages of signing up, holding their hands and so forth.

We don't need to care about it or find a way, they will. They have hundreds of millions of reasons a year to do it. It's not as though poker sites are going to sit with their thumbs up their asses and go 'wtf? no neteller?? omg wat do we do'. They will do what they've always done - make it as painless as possible to get peoples money into their site.

In an unrelated matter, I often find that the term "bitter guy who hates his life" can be used in place of the term "realist".

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OP,

Demand is a powerful force. Like a river, it will find a way around or through an obsticle. The poker landscape may change, but it's far from being dead.

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Unless you build a dam on it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Indiana]

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OP,

Demand is a powerful force. Like a river, it will find a way around or through an obsticle. The poker landscape may change, but it's far from being dead.

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Unless you build a dam on it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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water still flows over the dam