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Old 01-31-2006, 01:24 PM
Sandberg Sandberg is offline
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Default Standard BB call gets messy

Hollywood Poker $2-$4

Hero is in Big Blind with 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

one fold, <font color="purple">UTG+1 calls </font>, one fold, <font color="blue">MP1 raises </font> , <font color="orange">MP2 cold calls </font> , Three Folds, Small blind folds, <font color="red">Hero calls </font> , <font color="purple">UTG+1 re-raises </font> , <font color="blue"> MP1 caps </font>, <font color="orange">MP2 calls </font> , <font color="red">Hero calls </font>

First of all, how's this line for my hand? Should I have folded? My hand is suited and there is alot of action before it gets to me so I figured, standard call here. Should I have been less likely to call with one person still active and my hand, despite it's suited-ness, being otherwise weak?

Flop: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

<font color="red">Hero checks </font>, UTG+1 Bets, MP1 Raises, MP2 Three Bets, <font color="red">Hero Caps </font> , UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls

Was I being too aggressive here? Given the three bet by MP2, would it have been fair to think I might be behind?

Turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

<font color="red">Hero checks </font> , UTG+1 checks, MP1 Bets, MP2 Raises, Hero?

This is where I should have dumped, right?
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:48 PM
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Default Re: Standard BB call gets messy

I fold it preflop to any raise, every time. Horrible call IMO. It's ok to defend...sometimes, but come on. 4-2?

MP2 had pocket 10s?
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:58 PM
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Default Re: Standard BB call gets messy

It wouldn't be too bad to defend 42s if you had a couple more callers. By the turn someone, probably MP2, has got TT or AT. I can't think of any other hands he might play this way. I think you gotta let it go, this action doesn't look like its slowing down.
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Old 01-31-2006, 02:12 PM
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Default Re: Standard BB call gets messy

The first preflop call is fine imo. I fold when it gets back capped though.

I really hate MP2 3-bets the flop. You're almost certainly ahead of UTG+1 and MP2, but MP2 is pretty likely to hold TT/44/22. Still these are only 5 combos.

Another concern is that if you're ahead you're most often drawing dead, against 1 combo you're drwing to 2 outs. but when you're ahead the others have at least 6 outs on the flop and 9 outs on the turn.

Given how you played the turn is a must fold.
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Old 01-31-2006, 02:44 PM
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Default Re: Standard BB call gets messy

I think you still need at least one more player in to call there preflop. Personally, I'd like 5-6 players in to call a raise in the BB with a hand like 42s. I understand your thinking but I think you need more.
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Old 01-31-2006, 02:45 PM
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Personally, I'd like 5-6 players in to call a raise in the BB with a hand like 42s.

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Dude, you really need to loosen up in BB with suited hands.
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Old 01-31-2006, 05:54 PM
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Getting 7-1 on your money is a HORRIBLE call? Really?
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Old 02-01-2006, 08:57 AM
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Default Re: Standard BB call gets messy

The rest of the hand still has to be played out. Sure he's getting 7-1 now. But what do you hope to accomplish with a freaking 42s? Hit the low flush and pay it off to a larger one? How about bottom 2 pair as in this case, and lose a ton of money to an obvious set?
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Old 02-01-2006, 10:30 AM
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Default 2 faults

So: 2 faults
1. Calling this raise with only two player in the pot is -EV.
Up to three it's +EV (f.ex. any suited or any middle or low pair).
2. Calling a cap with that crap. 42s is no cap hand at all.
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Old 02-01-2006, 01:26 PM
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OK. So like I say, I'm trying to fix some leaks in my game. I need four people in a raised pot to call any suited cards out of the big blind and when it is capped, I should throw the hand away even if I'm getting 7:1 on my money? Right?
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