KK facing cr AI.

testaaja · #1 10-18-2006, 07:03 AM

UTG is a calling station.
SB was 18/9/10 over 40 hands.
Do we call or fold?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $31.05
Button: $52.45
SB: $120.10
Hero: $56.75

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $1, Button folds, SB calls, Hero raises to $6, UTG calls, SB calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($18, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $18, UTG calls, SB raises all-in $114.1, Hero ?

Jon Marlow · #2 10-18-2006, 07:10 AM

The SB has smooth called the raise and the reraise preflop and then checkraised all in on the flop. His preflop play suggests a medium-low pair. Unless he just wants you out the pot, I would imagine he has 33 or 44. You reraised preflop so he must think you are strong and if he has something like 88 or 77 he may be hoping you will have AK.

I probably fold here and expect to be able to see his hand as UTG is a calling station. Take this hand and add it your notes on the SB.

ragip · #3 10-18-2006, 07:15 AM

Given his stats, I think the only hands he's doing this with are 44 and 33. The flush draw seems unlikely because it has to be either AJ or AT and I think he is raising the first bet preflop with that agression. I would fold unless I were actually the person playing, in which case I would call and bash my head on the desk repeatedly.

testaaja · #4 10-18-2006, 07:19 AM

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I would fold unless I were actually the person playing, in which case I would call and bash my head on the desk repeatedly.

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I did this, needless to say I just opened a bottle..

munkey · #5 10-18-2006, 07:35 AM

I see villan only doing this with QQ,33,44, AA

- a flushdraw is less likely you have the K so UTG could have AQs/AJs -would he AI the flop on a draw

I assume UTG called with a weak Q/fdraw - I'm interested to hear what SB had?

kitaristi0 · #6 10-18-2006, 07:37 AM

This is an instainstacall for me. Also, mashing the pot button in reraised pots is a bit excessive IMO. I think $12 on the flop is fine.

Jouster777 · #7 10-18-2006, 07:41 AM

Half your stack is already in there. Ugly spot but you have to call. This can still be combo draws, A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]x[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], and maybe AQ.

testaaja · #8 10-18-2006, 07:43 AM

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I see villan only doing this with QQ,33,44, AA

- a flushdraw is less likely you have the K so UTG could have AQs/AJs -would he AI the flop on a draw

I assume UTG called with a weak Q/fdraw - I'm interested to hear what SB had?

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33 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] and UTG had A5, nh.

Kitaristi0:
Yeah the flop bet is big but that's because UTG will call anything [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Dustin M. · #9 10-18-2006, 02:28 PM

I'm not exactly sure how to do the math, but won't villain be losing in the long run calling 12 times the BB pre-flop with 33? He hit this time and got payed off, but he's not going to get a call to his all-in everytime. There are also the times when hero will hit his set on the flop, and even hitting on the turn or river after he has called the all-in when behind.

Can one of you math guys break it down?

robinmbuk · #10 10-18-2006, 02:33 PM

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I see villan only doing this with QQ,33,44, AA

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If villian to tight to be doing this with 56s? I might play 56s like this, but I don't know wether I'd call such a pic pf reraise with this hand, but maybe I would if I knew the raiser can't let go of big pocket pairs.