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10-17-2006, 09:18 AM
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25NL SB flop 3rd pair/flush draw, coordinated board
OOP draws drive me nuts. Advice on all streets is appreciated, but here are some of my thoughts:
- Should I have bet out on the flop? My thought was that I had 14 outs, but they're not solid (2 pair would be behind a flopped straight), and if someone is trying to get their money in, it's probably because they already have a straight, so I really only have 9. - If I C/R the turn, a RR AI doesn't give me odds to continue There's probably an obvious line I'm missing, so flame away: Full Tilt Poker No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $92.50 UTG+1: $24.65 CO: $12.35 Button: $28.55 Hero: $31.20 BB: $30.20 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks. Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($1, 4 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $0.75</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Button folds. Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($3.25, 3 players) Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $2.5</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($10.75, 3 players) Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $5</font>, Hero folds, BB folds. Uncalled bets: $5 returned to UTG+1. Results: Final pot: $10.75 
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#2
10-17-2006, 09:28 AM
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Re: 25NL SB flop 3rd pair/flush draw, coordinated board
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OOP draws drive me nuts [/ QUOTE ] Fold trashy hands like this pf and you'll avoid that situation. check flop, with the board so coordinated your not going to win it right here very often, you're bloating the pot with your dodgy hand OOP and driving yourself nuts by the looks of it. Fold if you get the opportunity. Definitely fold the turn
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#3
10-17-2006, 09:37 AM
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Re: 25NL SB flop 3rd pair/flush draw, coordinated board
You were getting 7 to 1 to call preflop so that seems ok. I would have c/c'd the flop to a sensible bet and then folded the turn.
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#5
10-17-2006, 09:52 AM
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Re: 25NL SB flop 3rd pair/flush draw, coordinated board
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What's your complete range for SB? [/ QUOTE ] Pretty damn tight. Playing OOP in NL can be really horrid, probably complete with medium-small PP and fold pretty much every thing else, assuming no reads.
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#6
10-17-2006, 09:58 AM
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Re: 25NL SB flop 3rd pair/flush draw, coordinated board
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[ QUOTE ] What's your complete range for SB? [/ QUOTE ] Pretty damn tight. Playing OOP in NL can be really horrid, probably complete with medium-small PP and fold pretty much every thing else, assuming no reads. [/ QUOTE ] Even getting 7 to 1?
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#7
10-17-2006, 10:04 AM
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Re: 25NL SB flop 3rd pair/flush draw, coordinated board
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Even getting 7 to 1? [/ QUOTE ] Screw pot odds, you are out of position against 4 other players, you want a pretty good hand here. With reads on the players I may open up. I doubt that folding pretty much everything in the SB is far from optimal.
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#8
10-17-2006, 10:09 AM
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Re: 25NL SB flop 3rd pair/flush draw, coordinated board
Given the direct and implied odds, for the investment of one SB, I reckon that for the times you hit two pair/flush draw or better are good enough to make this a profitable play with any vaguely connected, suited cards.
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#9
10-17-2006, 10:17 AM
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Re: 25NL SB flop 3rd pair/flush draw, coordinated board
Please don't fold this from the SB getting 7 to 1.
I think you played it fine. River is tough if you river 2 pair instead of your flush\trips. I'd probably block bet or c\call a decent sized bet. Flop bet is good, but with decreased equity on the turn and being OOP against 2 callers I prefer c\calling (as you did) a small bet as opposed to betting out.
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#10
10-17-2006, 10:20 AM
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Re: 25NL SB flop 3rd pair/flush draw, coordinated board
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Please don't fold this from the SB getting 7 to 1. I think you played it fine. River is tough if you river 2 pair instead of your flush\trips. I'd probably block bet or c\call a decent sized bet. Flop bet is good, but with decreased equity on the turn and being OOP against 2 callers I prefer c\calling (as you did) a small bet as opposed to betting out. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree with pretty much everything you've said here. Your reverse implied odds are terrible, your hand is shocking and you position could not be worse. I see absolutly no reason to complete and I'd save the 15c for a better situation. Putting any more money on your hand post flop is just as bad IMO.
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