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Old 10-16-2006, 03:11 AM
Milandro Milandro is offline
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Default nl 100..... I play bad

player before me is pretty lose pf so I called pf tryin to catch a good card. guy to my left bumped it up but the other dude called so I call with implied odds. FOLDING if I dont flop anything( guy to my left is pretty taggish.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($115.45)
UTG ($55.50)
Hero ($80.70)
SB ($112)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, Hero calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $4.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $4, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($16) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $11.1</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $29.84SHOULD I JUST PUSH HERE?</font>, SB calls $95.90 (All-In), Hero calls $45.86 (All-In).
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Old 10-16-2006, 03:14 AM
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Default Re: nl 100..... I play bad

I guess my question is.... Is it standard to semibluff then call all in with flush draw??? I mean if you do it 30% of the time it should be profitable no?
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Old 10-16-2006, 03:16 AM
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Default Re: nl 100..... I play bad

isolate the weak player preflop by raising yourself, once you get to the flop raise more the first time (doesnt need to be a push) and calling the shove is a math problem.
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Old 10-16-2006, 03:17 AM
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Default Re: nl 100..... I play bad

well according to math Im gettng about 2to1 to call and Im good 50% of the time if I call the flop with a flushdraw right?
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Old 10-16-2006, 03:18 AM
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Default Re: nl 100..... I play bad

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well according to math Im gettng about 2to1 to call and Im good 1.8to1 of the time if I call the flop with a flushdraw right?

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Old 10-16-2006, 03:34 AM
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Default Re: nl 100..... I play bad

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player before me is pretty lose pf so I called pf tryin to catch a good card. guy to my left bumped it up but the other dude called so I call with implied odds. FOLDING if I dont flop anything( guy to my left is pretty taggish.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($115.45)
UTG ($55.50)
Hero ($80.70)
SB ($112)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, Hero calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $4.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $4, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($16) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $11.1</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $29.84SHOULD I JUST PUSH HERE?</font>, SB calls $95.90 (All-In), Hero calls $45.86 (All-In).

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If UTG is that loose, just raise preflop to hopefully isolate him and get the pot heads-up. Don't make a habit of playing nut flush draws so hard in this spot either. It'd be different if you had a pair + the nut flush draw, since you'd have more outs, but in this spot both calling and folding on the flop are fine.
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Old 10-16-2006, 04:00 AM
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Default Re: nl 100..... I play bad

You will hit your flush 35% of the time when you get all in on the flop which means you need to be getting 1.8 to 1 to call. Here you are getting much closer to 3:1 to make this call after SB shoves so at that point you have to call.

However, you only have the odds to call because you have already put so much dead money in the pot so if you were pretty sure he was going to shove your raise then it would have been a big mistake to raise the flop.
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Old 10-16-2006, 05:10 AM
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Default Re: nl 100..... I play bad

three aces might also be outs for you, and you have a runner straight draw.

Hand 1: 45.2020 % 44.75% 00.45% { Ad5d }
Hand 2: 54.7980 % 54.34% 00.45% { KhKs }

even if he has AA, though, you have odds to call.

raise bigger on flop; pushing is reasonable.
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Old 10-16-2006, 05:44 AM
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Default Re: nl 100..... I play bad

Raise flop to 50 which has more FE and will price you in to call if he pushes and you still have 45% chance of hitting TP+
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Old 10-16-2006, 07:00 AM
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Default Re: nl 100..... I play bad

1) Reload to the max buy-in before the hand.

2) Raise preflop to $5. Limping after 1 limper on the button is yucky-yuck.

As played, it's OK. You are short enough that you don't mind getting it all-in on this flop with the nut flush draw.
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