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Old 10-15-2006, 08:48 PM
archcity archcity is offline
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Default Big River Bets, Call or Fold?

I've been losing money on calling river bets. Here are three hands with good sized river bets, not sure I made the right decisions. What would you do?

HAND #1
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
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Stack sizes:
HERO: $41.40
CO: $24.65
Button: $22.65
SB: $22.20
BB: $9.75

Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $1</font>, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($2.25, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO checks.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2.25, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">HERO bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $3</font>, HERO calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $8.25</font>

HAND #2
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $27.20
Button: $12.75
SB: $17.75
HERO: $27.20

Pre-flop: (4 players) HERO is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $0.75</font>, SB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($1.5, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">HERO bets $1</font>, SB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3.5, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">HERO bets $2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $4</font>, HERO calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($11.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $6.25</font>

HAND #3
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.50
CO: $59.25
HERO: $18.25
SB: $19.80
BB: $19.25

Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $1</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2.1, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">HERO bets $1.25</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($4.6, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">HERO bets $2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $8</font>, BB calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($20.6, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB is all-in $11</font>
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Old 10-15-2006, 09:00 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: Big River Bets, Call or Fold?

First hand is an easy river fold.
Second hand, raise more everywhere. I probably pay off on the river, but its close.
Third hand - WTF?!?! You're turn action is [censored] awful. What worse hand is paying you off here? Check behind and maybe call a reasonable riverbet.
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Old 10-15-2006, 09:42 PM
Mahatma Mahatma is offline
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Default Re: Big River Bets, Call or Fold?

Take notes on what people are checkminiraising you with, different people do this with different hands.

Hand 1 I'd bet flop, call his turn raise and fold river.

Hand 2 I'd bet a little more on turn hoping to get called by KQ,KJ,KT, which HU will not fold, then call river with 3-1

Hand 3 I'd bet a litt more on flop, but that probably doesn't make a different. Once he calls your minireraise on turn your hand is no good so fold river
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Old 10-15-2006, 09:52 PM
Shaddux Shaddux is offline
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Default Re: Big River Bets, Call or Fold?

Hand 1: We have position, so I cbet. Turn looks fine, but I bet a little more. Easy river fold.

Hand 2: Raise to at least 4bb pf and pot the flop. The river bet isn't big, so I definitely call.

Hand 3: Bet more on the flop. I pretty much shut down if called. We don't beat much...I guess if we hit top pair on turn we c/c, but your b/3b is spew. River is easy fold.
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