On Line & Books

John Penny · #1 10-10-2006, 09:28 AM

Well. I did some reading, including Harington, Slansky & Caro.
Every thing is nice and good. They all refer to basic play when starting playing poker (the sit positions, openning hands - and so on).
But what i did find out is that all those informations in books (and they good), are reffering to Holdem @ the tables. There is not so much info on internet Poker.
There is no time to analyze hands (time limit), you cannot read your oponents.
My question ?
Any informations (books,strategy) for internet Poker ?
I did find out however that the basic play is standing up in small (mikro) tables.If i take time and apply the starting (opening) hand, i am not loosing, but also not going up.
So, where all those big bankrolls comming from ? Is it only large deposits, or is it a grind ?

Regards

John Penny - Grasshopper of Holdem Poker [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

JustBeginning · #2 10-10-2006, 10:50 AM

Are you playing Limit or No Limit. If it's Limit get Small Stakes Hold'em by Sklansky, Malmouth and Miller. Read and re-read it.
If it's No Limit, there are no great books out there for No Limit, your best option is to read the Micro-Limit forum on here, and post in it. In fact you should do that for Limit too.

KurtSF · #3 10-10-2006, 11:06 AM

Like JB said, if you play limit get Small Stakes Holdem now. Its great for micro online games.

Also, though I have not read it, I have heard good things about Hilger's Internet Texas Holdem.

StregaChess · #4 10-11-2006, 12:55 PM

Depending on your level, Scott Gallant covers a lot of net specific stuff in Pressure Poker, also has mentioned Hilger is pretty good. I've not read his net book but, his "Odds and Proababilities" book is very good.

You can gets tons from reading the FAQ's here....

Splossy · #5 10-12-2006, 05:11 AM

Are you playing limit or no-limit

John Penny · #6 10-12-2006, 06:24 AM

I play no limit (micro stakes) @ PokerRoom.
I have observed that nerly every one play conservative style of Holdem. I also noticed that lots of players play nerly every hand and, yes, they loosing after some time.
I have recent experiance @ live table. Went to Crown Casino in Melbourne and pop in my head to where poker tables are located. Under some personal pressure i put my name for 1/2 table. The game started. Boy o Boy it has been experiance. The looking for positions of other players, calculating my hand, the pot size, the ods. All went to rubish basket. I could not concetrate on basicly any thing, but my hand and the cards on the table (lucky me).
The funniest thing has been when i miss my check call and the deeler remind me that i may check instead fold. Well, i check with 4-6 and on the end i got full house and nice pot.
This shows me that the internet is not the same as live table (must get more experiance @live table).
But, getting back to books.
I have stambled on Phils Hellmuths book - "Play Poker Like the Pro". Simply putting it is a different way of playing.
Would any one play in simmular style, or experiance the same play in NLH ?
I am wandering if maybe can be adapted for internet games.

Regards

John - "Grasshopper of Poker"

Splossy · #7 10-12-2006, 07:05 AM

OK then the Hilger and SSHE suggestions are no good then.

Live games take some learning because it's not obvious how to act when you first turn up. You don't get the pot size on a screen etc and it's difficult to concentrate because it's hard enough just trying not to make a dick of yourself. Self-dealing games are even worse if you can't handle cards well! But that doesn't mean that the actual poker is much different. The mechanics are different but the same fundamentals apply. The books are perfectly good for both.

Tons of successful internet players have learned from the books you've read and some of them have gone on to do well at live tournaments too.

A failry simple NLHE book with not so much theory but plenty of suggestions on practical play in common situations (eg what to do if you flop two pair out of position etc) is Phil Gordon's Little Green Book. No it's not designed for the internet but it doens't matter.

OrianasDaad · #8 10-13-2006, 01:14 PM

It's a grind, especially if you are a bankroll nit like me.

A book that I found most useful was "Killer Poker Online" by John Vorhaus. It's kind of dated now, since the internet evolves so quickly, but the chapter on Data Management is very helpful. Gladly, we don't have to resort to notebooks or spreadsheets while we play, because we have PokerTracker to keep all of this data for us to study later. It's quite a bit of work away from the table, but it pays off huge later.

I'll be making my Pooh-Bah post later in the day on how I study opponents offline. Stay tuned.